Pioneer? Pioneer.

[false_aesthetic]

I got a thing from Pioneer. Makes getting a PM affordable. But I dunno what I should get.

I'm not racing anymore (when I was I bought Doof's iBike and did quite well with that and a Kurt trainer) but I like technology and I like numbers and I like staring at the minutia as much as I like looking at Anselm Kiefer's paintings.

I think I'm probably fine with their left-side crank thingy and a Garmin.
But what about the right-side crank thingy and a Garmin?
Or what about a left and right-side crank thingy and a Garmin?

Or what about the Pioneer headthingy?

Most importantly if I but them all will I win Strava or SnapChat?

[Too Tall]

Are you drunk dialing?

[DOOFUS]

righ+left, use it with a garmin

Functional asymmetry is a reality for the vast majority. I know the "you only need it to be consistent, not accurate" argument. I used a stages demo arm for several weeks, comparing it to several powertap wheels that were within spec and checked accurate with static torque tests. For me, the stages was 5% off -- the +/- 2% plus my left dominant leg. Sure, it was consistent, but looking a kjoules to help monitor calories -- which is one of the main things for most amateurs who are only training 12 or fewer hours a week -- was pointless. The Normalized Power numbers were also wonky, and Stages take on that is that they don't see NP as a valid metric (even though NP numbers for all of the other major players' gadgets will line up within a few watts of each other).

I'm not bashing on Stages -- I've seen similar wonky-business with ride files from guys using left-only garmin vectors. imho, single-sided devices are gateway devices, and once the user starts to pick apart the numbers to get beyond the basics (and if you just want the basics, the Stravanator will do as well as a single-sided PM), the more they start to look at two-sided devices or a PT wheelset.

If you have a discount card, get the two-sided pioneer. It will do its job and you won't end up second-guessing the data at some point.

[false_aesthetic]

Thanks Doofus!

[dogrange]

righ+left, use it with a garmin

Functional asymmetry is a reality for the vast majority. I know the "you only need it to be consistent, not accurate" argument. I used a stages demo arm for several weeks, comparing it to several powertap wheels that were within spec and checked accurate with static torque tests. For me, the stages was 5% off -- the +/- 2% plus my left dominant leg. Sure, it was consistent, but looking a kjoules to help monitor calories -- which is one of the main things for most amateurs who are only training 12 or fewer hours a week -- was pointless. The Normalized Power numbers were also wonky, and Stages take on that is that they don't see NP as a valid metric (even though NP numbers for all of the other major players' gadgets will line up within a few watts of each other).

I'm not bashing on Stages -- I've seen similar wonky-business with ride files from guys using left-only garmin vectors. imho, single-sided devices are gateway devices, and once the user starts to pick apart the numbers to get beyond the basics (and if you just want the basics, the Stravanator will do as well as a single-sided PM), the more they start to look at two-sided devices or a PT wheelset.

If you have a discount card, get the two-sided pioneer. It will do its job and you won't end up second-guessing the data at some point.

I'm a total amateur and have had a Stages for a couple years. Seems to work fine. Another downside, though, is that mentally it is capable of throwing you off as well, even occasional thoughts of "am I pushing hard enough with my left leg" are not helpful when you are just trying to do an interval. YMMV. It is inexpensive, which is a huge plus.

[sk_tle]

Most importantly if I but them all will I win Strava or SnapChat?

I think you should periscope your garmin screen while riding so people from all over the world can send hearts, propose for strange sexual relationships or tell you how much you suck.

[mike868y]

the pioneer left side only option is really interesting. strongly considered one but the first hand reviews were so limited i decided against it and got a stages. i like it so far, but have had some issues with riding in the wet (may have been user error). customer service has been excellent fwiw.