Wide-flange Breezer-style REAR dropouts?

[David Tollefson]

Seems that Firefly uses some wider-than-standard Breezer style rear dropouts for road. The ones I have (from Nova) are all of maybe 3/4" wide, and I'm wanting to use 1" and 7/8" straight chainstays. Yes, I can crimp the ends of the stays where they'll meet the dropout hood, but I was wondering if anyone knows of another source to get wider-hooded steel Breezers.

TIA

[progetto]

Paragon?

[David Tollefson]

Ah, yrs , Paragon has them in 1.04", so that's pretty close. I may crimp these builds and go with the Paragons on future builds if I like the straight stay aesthetic.

[progetto]

Instead of crimping, have you thought about scarfing away some metal on the internal of the stay, capping then butting to dropout. A little bit like a seatstay cap only different. Picture a D on the end profile.

Ah, yrs , Paragon has them in 1.04", so that's pretty close. I may crimp these builds and go with the Paragons on future builds if I like the straight stay aesthetic.

[David Tollefson]

Instead of crimping, have you thought about scarfing away some metal on the internal of the stay, capping then butting to dropout. A little bit like a seatstay cap only different. Picture a D on the end profile.

That was my other thought.

[Tyler Evans]

Seems that Firefly uses some wider-than-standard Breezer style rear dropouts for road. The ones I have (from Nova) are all of maybe 3/4" wide, and I'm wanting to use 1" and 7/8" straight chainstays. Yes, I can crimp the ends of the stays where they'll meet the dropout hood, but I was wondering if anyone knows of another source to get wider-hooded steel Breezers.

This confuses me. We have never used a Breezer style dropout. We do use 1" chain stays though.

[Mike Mcdermid]

This confuses me. We have never used a Breezer style dropout. We do use 1" chain stays though.

I'm reporting your pornography to the forum moderators....and jealousy police

[Jonathan]

Btw, for some carificarion...the Wright Bros were using the hooded style of drop 80 years before Breezer welded them to a MTB. There is a cool Wright Flyer at the Smithsonian American History Museum with many features that have been claimed more recently by others.

[David Tollefson]

This confuses me. We have never used a Breezer style dropout. We do use 1" chain stays though.

My bad on that, then. I thought I'd seen them on a FF.

[fortyfour]

Btw, for some carificarion...the Wright Bros were using the hooded style of drop 80 years before Breezer welded them to a MTB. There is a cool Wright Flyer at the Smithsonian American History Museum with many features that have been claimed more recently by others.

For clarity, I do not think Paragon has claimed anything of the sort. Hence Mark's naming his DR2001 hooded dropout their "Wright-Style Dropout" as per the description of the dropout. These are a 1.5" hooded dropout with a replaceable hanger available in a variety of configurations / standards / materials. They also are available in a 1.125" diameter which is their DR2022 Wright-Style Hooded Dropout.

Currently out of stock but from Paragon's Instagram feed/speaking with them, sounds like they are tooling up to make lots more and have them back in stock sometime mid January.

A good majority of my road and mountain bikes use the DR2001's.

[LoHiFab]

I have a lathe and plan on fabricating my own hooded dropouts. They will only have a through hole, however, as I also plan on converting my hubs to accept a fastener (think phil wood track hubs). My frames are for old-school mtb/ townie bikes so single speed and/or belt drive.

[Eric Estlund]

It might be semantics, but when I say "Breezer drop outs" I mean the ones that say Breeze on them, or are at least the same casting without the word.



I use "hooded" to describe anything with a hood- including stuff like the Salsa with two hoods.


"Wright" I think of as the single circular, but I generall use "hooded" in conversation.

[Jonathan]

For clarity, I do not think Paragon has claimed anything of the sort. Hence Mark's naming his DR2001 hooded dropout their "Wright-Style Dropout" as per the description of the dropout. These are a 1.5" hooded dropout with a replaceable hanger available in a variety of configurations / standards / materials. They also are available in a 1.125" diameter which is their DR2022 Wright-Style Hooded Dropout.

Currently out of stock but from Paragon's Instagram feed/speaking with them, sounds like they are tooling up to make lots more and have them back in stock sometime mid January.

A good majority of my road and mountain bikes use the DR2001's.

Whoa Nellie, calm down. I wasn't accusing anyone at paragon of anything. I am aware Mark calls it a wright style and I think he mentions it's been used by many.

[David Tollefson]

Okay, to try to bring this back on track, regardless of who gets the credit for the original design (Wright vs Breeze vs John Doe)... What's the consensus on fabbing a wider hooded dropout from, say, 5mm plate and a 1-3/8"x.049" tube and brazing it together?

[Mike Mcdermid]

Okay, to try to bring this back on track, regardless of who gets the credit for the original design (Wright vs Breeze vs John Doe)... What's the consensus on fabbing a wider hooded dropout from, say, 5mm plate and a 1-3/8"x.049" tube and brazing it together?

I'd make those from a longer bit of solid bar and hog the middle out the waste of material and time saving alone would cost less but if its not an issue nothing apart from the butt ugly non weld on the inside of the hood

[fortyfour]

Whoa Nellie, calm down. I wasn't accusing anyone at paragon of anything. I am aware Mark calls it a wright style and I think he mentions it's been used by many.

I was calm for the record, and did not want to come off in any other way and my apologies if I did. Just wanted to make sure no one interpreted your statement "...with many features that have been claimed more recently by others." to not mean Paragon Machine Works claiming something they do not. If you read that, it can be interpreted that way as such.

Semantics aside, Paragon's DR2001 are the widest that I know of in a hooded dropout.

[Jonathan]

It's all good then. Here are Marks own words on the issue.

http://www.paragonmachineworks.com/files/FAQDropout.pdf

[progetto]

Done it plenty with aluminium, works great. Check out Dario's, I believe his are welded.

Okay, to try to bring this back on track, regardless of who gets the credit for the original design (Wright vs Breeze vs John Doe)... What's the consensus on fabbing a wider hooded dropout from, say, 5mm plate and a 1-3/8"x.049" tube and brazing it together?

[EnginCycles]

Okay, to try to bring this back on track, regardless of who gets the credit for the original design (Wright vs Breeze vs John Doe)... What's the consensus on fabbing a wider hooded dropout from, say, 5mm plate and a 1-3/8"x.049" tube and brazing it together?

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