Caroline Kennedy --- 2020

[davids]

I would love to see immigration reform. We got damn close ten years ago. But the Right couldn’t bear the thought of amnesty for people already here, and the Left poked holes in the Guest Worker proposal. And immigration reform died.

Here’s something else to think about: Immigrants are not the same thing as refugees. Refugees are a subset, and face dangers that other immigrants, legal or illegal, do not. The issues are different depending on whether we’re discussing immigration quotas by country or allowing people fleeing their native countries in fear of their lives. Yes the two overlap. But it’s careless sloppy thinking to merge the two issues.

Illegals in my city are given public housing ahead of US homeless veterans. And if a state worker ask about their “undocumented state”, the state worker can get fired.

You are, simply, wrong.

Boston Housing Authority receives funding from both the Federal and State governments. Federal funding cannot be spent on people who are not citizens or legal residents of the US. State funding does not have the restriction. BHA only requires applicants for Federally-funded housing to provide documentation of citizenship/legal residency. BHA does not ask the question of applicants to State-funded housing. BHA offers housing to applicants based on a combination of their application date (the longer you wait, the higher your relative ranking) and a point system. Among the attributes that earn applicants points is Veteran’s status. So everything else being equal, a Veteran (or a member of Veteran’s family) is always ranked higher than a non-Veteran.

Not quite the soundbite that you posted, but my explanation has the advantage of being factual.



And while I'm highlighting the difference between a soundbite and the facts...

With all the drama around Trump’s executive order, some of you may have missed another momentous decision he made this weekend, adding the loathsome Steven Bannon to the National Security Council while dropping the director of national intelligence and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff from the group.

It’s one thing for those of us arguing on an Internet forum to have incomplete information or knowledge, filtered through news organizations with their own editorial biases. It’s something else entirely for our President – who we already know gets most of his information from TV news shows – to exclude the head of the National Intelligence Community and the head of our military from his NSC. And to instead put in their place a political operative who made his reputation pedaling vitriol and lies.

The President has shown himself to be an incurious intellectual lightweight, and now he has decided that it’s better to have Breitbart than our intelligence services and our military at the table when they talk about our nation’s security. This scares the crap out of me.

[colker]

And how does M Streep or Madonna become hollywood phonies while a guy who was a host of reality shows and his sidekick, an ex movie producer and head of a web agit prop, become "real people"?
Why is everybody falling for an inverted truth? Wake up.

[Corso]

You are, simply, wrong.

Boston Housing Authority receives funding from both the Federal and State governments. Federal funding cannot be spent on people who are not citizens or legal residents of the US. State funding does not have the restriction. BHA only requires applicants for Federally-funded housing to provide documentation of citizenship/legal residency. BHA does not ask the question of applicants to State-funded housing. BHA offers housing to applicants based on a combination of their application date (the longer you wait, the higher your relative ranking) and a point system. Among the attributes that earn applicants points is Veteran’s status. So everything else being equal, a Veteran (or a member of Veteran’s family) is always ranked higher than a non-Veteran.

Not quite the soundbite that you posted, but my explanation has the advantage of being factual.

I most respectfully, disagree that I am wrong. I’m glad the Boston vet’s are not displaced, and won’t argue your facts.

But, when did I say I live in Boston? I've worked in Boston for over 30 years, but haven’t lived there in quite some time.

Although I have done volunteer work for Boston’s homeless vet organization.

I am a friend of the person who RUNS public housing where I live (yes, in MA). My information is first hand. The information has been the same for several years now. It’s the first thing I bring up when I’m with him. He has nothing to gain by lying to me, and I had nothing to gain by lying here.
Veterans will be (and has in fact been) placed behind an “assumed non-english speaking un-documented” person with a child. And he will lose his job if he asked if they are a citizen, green card, visa ID, etc”, as the “assumed non-english speaking un-documented”’s interpreter will report him to the state if he does so. Fact.

The classroom overcrowding and Police situations I mentioned: also facts.

As far as the other: I agree Bannon is bad for the administration.

But then again, I found Eric Holder just horrible at doing his job. And he had it 5 and a half years. I’d be surprised if Bannon doesn’t “resign” within 6 months.

[vertical_doug]

But then again, I found Eric Holder just horrible at doing his job. And he had it 5 and a half years. I’d be surprised if Bannon doesn’t “resign” within 6 months.

Unless Gandalf shows up, I don't see anyone casting WormTongue down the White House steps in the next 6 mo.

[davids]

I most respectfully, disagree that I am wrong. I’m glad the Boston vet’s are not displaced, and won’t argue your facts.

But, when did I say I live in Boston? I've worked in Boston for over 30 years, but haven’t lived there in quite some time.

Although I have done volunteer work for Boston’s homeless vet organization.

I am a friend of the person who RUNS public housing where I live (yes, in MA). My information is first hand. The information has been the same for several years now. It’s the first thing I bring up when I’m with him. He has nothing to gain by lying to me, and I had nothing to gain by lying here.
Veterans will be (and has in fact been) placed behind an “assumed non-english speaking un-documented” person with a child. And he will lose his job if he asked if they are a citizen, green card, visa ID, etc”, as the “assumed non-english speaking un-documented”’s interpreter will report him to the state if he does so. Fact.

Apologies! I made an assumption and, well, you know that cliche...

[Corso]

Apologies! I made an assumption and, well, you know that cliche...

It’s all good. At least we agree on Bannon! And we both choose to live in the Commonwealth. God only knows why I stay here...

[davids]

It’s all good. At least we agree on Bannon! And we both choose to live in the Commonwealth. God only knows why I stay here...

Because life is nice where we live!

[dogrange]

As far as the other: I agree Bannon is bad for the administration.

But then again, I found Eric Holder just horrible at doing his job. And he had it 5 and a half years.

Hey man, I disagree with you on almost anything you say about Trump doing anything good (so far), but I'm with you on these statements. Just trying to find some common ground!

[j44ke]

Shouldn't matter whether Bannon is God himself or a golden retriever, Trump is President. None of this happens if Trump doesn't sign off on it. It is the signing off on these things without consulting legal authorities or vetting procedures with affected departments (NYTimes describes the head of Homeland Security getting the briefing from his department while on the plane to Washington at the same time that Trump is signing the immigration ban) that will cause anyone with an ounce of credibility and self-respect (obviously a big variable) in the administration to start jumping ship. If they aren't being consulted, why are they there? Who wants to ride a train wreck into the wall if you don't at least get a shot at pulling the emergency brake?

The only way Bannon will go is if there is an ultimatum presented by the Republicans in Congress, and who is going to do that? McConnell? His wife works for Trump. McCain? No one listens to McCain any longer. Ryan? He's scared to death of doing anything that might create a sense that he actually has a personality.

This is the landscape for the next four years.

[colker]

This is the landscape for the next four years.

Unless there is an impeachment. It has happenned before and life moved on.

[Corso]

Hey man, I disagree with you on almost anything you say about Trump doing anything good (so far), but I'm with you on these statements. Just trying to find some common ground!

I appreciate it man! As I’ve said on other threads: I wasn’t pro Trump > I was Anti-Hillary.

I’m not going to defend him on everything he does. It’s useless.

But…he won. Half the country is actually happy that the guy is doing what he promised. Very refreshing in a politician.
They just don’t hit the streets to get on television or youtube over it.

I also said I was going to leave the Republican party and become an independent. Still planning on doing that. My current Republican Governor (who publicly boasted he was not voting for Trump or Hillary)--but went to Washington to enjoy the inauguration festivities anyway, is giving me a push away from the GOP. I can’t wait to “not vote” for him when he runs for re-election, and talk to his fund raisers when they ask me “Where did you$ go?

I dislike hypocrisy, on all sides of the fence.