So it's jobs they want eh?

[ryker]

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-d...lizations-isnt

[Dallas Tex]

The Clash of Civilizations That Isn’t - The New Yorker

If you are trying to make a point via this link, just let us know what your point is. Thanks.

[Cookietruck]

The Clash of Civilizations That Isn’t - The New Yorker

^ thanks

[Cookietruck]

If you are trying to make a point via this link, just let us know what your point is. Thanks.

there seem to be a few points

all muslims aren't extremists therefore we are NOT at war with Islam and stating it that way only makes ISIS stronger, see the part about how the atlantic article was very popular with ISIS (did i read that?)

the Iraq war allowed ISIS to step up to the plate and reacting to ISIS with a war is probably not the answer to dealing with ISIS

articles painting all muslims with the same brush lead to western extremists...
good ol' texas

Protesters disrupt rally at Capitol by Muslims, supporters | www.statesman.com

[Cookietruck]

also i'm just gonna quite this in here because it is fckn true...

"The part of ISIS’s rhetorical power that seems more worth pondering is the part that we can do something about. When recruiters for ISIS and Al Qaeda say that the West is fighting a war against Islam, they cite U.S. policies: drone strikes in Muslim countries, the imprisonment of Muslims in Guantánamo, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, perceived U.S. support for Israel’s treatment of Palestinians, and so on. Obviously, we shouldn’t abandon any policy just because our enemies criticize it. But, when the policies help our enemies with recruitment, that should at least be added to the cost-benefit calculus."

[Dallas Tex]

articles painting all muslims with the same brush lead to western extremists...
good ol' texas

Protesters disrupt rally at Capitol by Muslims, supporters | www.statesman.com

But it's apparently perfectly ok to paint the entire state of Texas based on15 people holding signs in austin.

[Cookietruck]

But it's apparently perfectly ok to paint the entire state of Texas based on15 people holding signs in austin.

texas paints itself, just look who they elect...rick perry, ted cruz, bush, abbot, dan patrick...
Paxton asks Texas Supreme Court to void gay-marriage license - Houston Chronicle

[Jonathan]

We paint ourselves. You can largely divide us into three categories in these threads. We are so predictable. Even who shows up to post can be relied upon. There is Murica, America and the one dude that links Breitbart. That's my three categories. My brain says the world is more nuanced but my eyes don't.

ps, I love America.

[Dallas Tex]

texas paints itself, just look who they elect...rick perry, ted cruz, bush, abbot, dan patrick...
Paxton asks Texas Supreme Court to void gay-marriage license - Houston Chronicle

Then you are suggesting that we judge the muslim world based on their leadership?

[Dallas Tex]

Even who shows up to post can be relied upon. There is Murica, America and the one dude that links Breitbart. That's my three categories. My brain says the world is more nuanced but my eyes don't.

ps, I love America.

Ha ��. I always show up!! And thanks to monadnocky it's my humble opinion the word 'nuanced' is getting overused

[Cookietruck]

Then you are suggesting that we judge the muslim world based on their leadership?

sure, who leads the majority of the muslim world?
pretty sure it's not ISIS or AL Quaeda...and we are back to one my earliest points. these are minority extremists. and all of ISLAM is not evil as you implied.

[Jonathan]

Then you are suggesting that we judge the muslim world based on their leadership?

It's true that an American is more likely to have a thesaurus near by :)

[Dallas Tex]

and all of ISLAM is not evil as you implied.

I don't where you got that, but its a theme that seems to be an answer to a question no one asked.

OF COURSE not every muslim is a terrorist. OF COURSE the vast, overwhelming majority of muslims are peaceful people. EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT. AND NO ONE HERE IS MAKING THAT ARGUEMENT.

My point is the doctrine is linked to oppression and violence. And the link needs to be talked about, NOT IGNORED IN A STATE of HYPER-TOLERANCE DENIAL.

Human Rights Watch made a study of the 10 worst offender countries. I'll post the list. Can anyone guess the common thread?

hrw.jpg

[Cookietruck]

I don't where you got that, but its a theme that seems to be an answer to a question no one asked.

OF COURSE not every muslim is a terrorist. OF COURSE the vast, overwhelming majority of muslims are peaceful people. EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT. AND NO ONE HERE IS MAKING THAT ARGUEMENT.

My point is the doctrine is linked to oppression and violence. And the link needs to be talked about, NOT IGNORED IN A STATE of HYPER-TOLERANCE DENIAL.

Human Rights Watch made a study of the 10 worst offender countries. I'll post the list. Can anyone guess the common thread?

hrw.jpg

you keep saying one thing but then implying the opposite

also you said...

Of course the problem is Islam. These acts are are inspired by this religion, right or wrong.

Why is it so difficult for folks to criticsize a religion???

[Dallas Tex]

you keep saying one thing but then implying the opposite

also you said...

Doctrine = Religion. Yes this religion or doctrine inspires too much oppression and violence.

[monadnocky]

I'll post the list. Can anyone guess the common thread?

hrw.jpg

The presence of current or very recent war?

[Dallas Tex]

The presence of current or very recent war?

Inspired by what?

[monadnocky]

Inspired by what?

Lots of things. It's.... well, nuanced, I'd say.

In all seriousness, religious belief in and of itself doesn't inspire war- this needs to take place in a certain context. Just looking at these countries, longstanding grinding poverty, intergenerational ethnic hatreds, and history of colonialism certainly all play a part, certainly as much as the presence of Islam. There's also a huge empty cell here: the vast majority of Muslims do not live in nine of these ten of these countries combined (excepting Pakistan), and many of the "red" countries are not predominantly Muslim countries. (don't know what the metric here is but Mexico? India? Seriously?)

Certainly Syria is not a human rights offender because of their predominantly Muslim population. They are a human rights offender because their current and recent past leaders are fcuking psychopathic lunatics (see: North Korea, which, very oddly, did not make this top ten list).

I do think I'm repeating myself here so I'll bow out of this thread at the risk of sounding like a parrot. Time to go move snow around. Again.

[dhoff]

As soon Catholic slavery and oppression occurs on a scale that rivals Islamic oppression & violence, then YES it would be a problem.

Um, I think you need a history lesson. But let's not just make it Catholic, let's look at all of Christendom as you are speaking broadly of Islam and not of a particular sect. Ethnic cleansing is not without its roots in every major religion. By the way, I am not considering Buddhism to be a religion for this purpose. It is in fact a philosophical approach that some sects observe, "religiously". Most political philosophies also have such elements in their history. It has been said, "Follow he who seeks truth, beware of he who has found it".

[Loki]

Um, I think you need a history lesson. But let's not just make it Catholic, let's look at all of Christendom as you are speaking broadly of Islam and not of a particular sect. Ethnic cleansing is not without its roots in every major religion. By the way, I am not considering Buddhism to be a religion for this purpose. It is in fact a philosophical approach that some sects observe, "religiously". Most political philosophies also have such elements in their history. It has been said, "Follow he who seeks truth, beware of he who has found it".

Very well, but I do not see 20,000 "Christians" in 2014-2015 cutting off the heads of Muslims , making sex slaves out of 10 year old Muslims or exterminating apostate Christians.

No do I see millions of "non-violent" Muslims doing much of anything to reign it in. Do you?