richard sachs framebuilding material atmo -

[e-RICHIE]

From this point forward, all Richard Sachs lugs styles (5 different sets in steel and stainless steel) will be sold WITH the parts shown in the pictures below. I have partnered with PMW to include their stainless steel cable adjuster part CS1013 with all my lower head lugs that have the threaded cast in port on each side. Additionally, the Campagnolo 1072 8mm seat post binder bolt will now be shipped standard too. Further to this, all of the bolts that I send out will have a special sized stainless steel washer that better fits the counter-bore in the lug ears. The Campagnolo washer is discarded because it hasn't been a standard size, nor has it been updated, since the 1980s atmo. Lastly, I tap ALL female side threads with a 6mm X 1 tap for a better fit. The price(s) of the lug sets remains unchanged but the parts described here are now included in the transaction. This message is relevant only for purchases made through my web site. Here are some links to read more about the Richard Sachs frame parts:

ÜOS (über-oversize) | RICHARD SACHS CYCLES
Richard Sachs Framebuilding Material | RICHARD SACHS CYCLES

[Clockwork]

Very good news for everybody.

[Dave Kirk]

That's a sweet and clean adjuster design - I wonder who came up with that idea?

dave

[e-RICHIE]

we readjustered the site page so now you can use this link and have even more to read atmo -
Richard Sachs Framebuilding Material | RICHARD SACHS CYCLES



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[jerk]

so awesome! thanks Richie! cool extra bits fosho.

[Craig Ryan]

Thanks, this will save me money as I use those included parts.

[Alistair]

That's a sweet and clean adjuster design - I wonder who came up with that idea?

dave

I'll bite on that one. Who did come up with that idea?

Alistair Spence,
Seattle, WA.

[Dave Kirk]

I'll bite on that one. Who did come up with that idea?

Alistair Spence,
Seattle, WA.

The basic design goes back to my time at Serotta when I designed brass adjusters to be made in this configuration. They were made of brass because it's soft enough to bend and not damage the frame if they get whacked and they won't freeze in place like aluminum pieces tend to do over time.

Serotta stopped using this design in time and went with an M6 threaded (instead of the 'normal' M5). I had a similar version to the original version made by the good folks at Paragon Machine Works in brass a bunch of years ago and still use them on my bikes and sell lots of them to folks and builders out there who want them. Paragon offers the stainless version of the design in their catalog.

So I guess I came up with the idea. But truth be told it's so simple and intuitive that it's a natural idea. I don't see it as ground breaking in anyway - it's just a pragmatic piece and gets the job done and looks nice. If there was any innovation if was that they were (are) made of brass. I've updated the brass pieces a bit by not having them be hex shaped but instead they are knurled to give better finder grip. Again - not earth shattering by any means. Just a little touch.

Thanks for asking,

dave

[pruckelshaus]

Richie, the same day you posted this, I snapped a Campy seat binder bolt. Coincidence?

[e-RICHIE]

Richie, the same day you posted this, I snapped a Campy seat binder bolt. Coincidence?

[levity] maybe it was maladjuster-ed. [/levity]

did you use the superfluous washer they supply?
were the seat lug ears compatible with the washer, or was the counter bore a more modern dimension?
did the male side bottom out in the female side atmo?

[pruckelshaus]

Yes, yes, no. Filed under "shit happens". I loaned my bike to a family friend and I suspect he had adjusted the seat height, not sure if he's the most mechanically inclined guy. I fixed it (for the mo') with an M6 bolt and a stainless washer ground down to the proper diameter, which actually works pretty well.

And, yes, I can tend towards maladjusted :P

[e-RICHIE]

Yes, yes, no. Filed under "shit happens". I loaned my bike to a family friend and I suspect he had adjusted the seat height, not sure if he's the most mechanically inclined guy. I fixed it (for the mo') with an M6 bolt and a stainless washer ground down to the proper diameter, which actually works pretty well.

And, yes, I can tend towards maladjusted :P

what lug or counter bore measurement was it atmo?

[Dazza]

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[Alistair]

Dave,

thanks for the explanation. I'm fascinated by the roots of the origins of ideas in the frame building world. Be it tools, components, lugs etc. Good to know where this one came from.

Cheers,

Alistair.

The basic design goes back to my time at Serotta when I designed brass adjusters to be made in this configuration. They were made of brass because it's soft enough to bend and not damage the frame if they get whacked and they won't freeze in place like aluminum pieces tend to do over time.

Serotta stopped using this design in time and went with an M6 threaded (instead of the 'normal' M5). I had a similar version to the original version made by the good folks at Paragon Machine Works in brass a bunch of years ago and still use them on my bikes and sell lots of them to folks and builders out there who want them. Paragon offers the stainless version of the design in their catalog.

So I guess I came up with the idea. But truth be told it's so simple and intuitive that it's a natural idea. I don't see it as ground breaking in anyway - it's just a pragmatic piece and gets the job done and looks nice. If there was any innovation if was that they were (are) made of brass. I've updated the brass pieces a bit by not having them be hex shaped but instead they are knurled to give better finder grip. Again - not earth shattering by any means. Just a little touch.

Thanks for asking,

dave

[Dave Kirk]

Dave,

thanks for the explanation. I'm fascinated by the roots of the origins of ideas in the frame building world. Be it tools, components, lugs etc. Good to know where this one came from.

Cheers,

Alistair.

You are very welcome - email me your address and I'll send you a pair to try out on the house.

Stay well,


dave

[pruckelshaus]

what lug or counter bore measurement was it atmo?

It was 8mm. If you remember the pics of my orange frame (numba one), where you commented on Flickr that you had designed the seat lug, that was it.

[Dave Kirk]

Good morning,

It has been pointed out to me that my first post in this thread may have been in bad taste - that I was trying to steal the thunder of Richard's introduction of his new stuff. I certainly didn't mean to do this but can see how some might feel that I did. I was just excited to see my part design living on so many years after I first put pencil to paper. I should have taken a moment to think about how Richard and others might view my post but didn't.

My apologies to Richard if my post was in bad taste.

Have a good day and stay dry and safe back east.



Dave

[e-RICHIE]

Good morning,

It has been pointed out to me that my first post in this thread may have been in bad taste - that I was trying to steal the thunder of Richard's introduction of his new stuff. I certainly didn't mean to do this but can see how some might feel that I did. I was just excited to see my part design living on so many years after I first put pencil to paper. I should have taken a moment to think about how Richard and others might view my post but didn't.

My apologies to Richard if my post was in bad taste.

Have a good day and stay dry and safe back east.



Dave

dave -

we're colleagues and pals so no need for any explanation. my only motivation in the OP was to drive lug clients to my site. and if they buy from my site rather than privately (as at least 30 percent of my sales are) i now have a value-added ploy to make it worth their while. it may be a small thing, but including the parts mentioned was more better (sic) than reducing the price of my lugs. like all of us here, i am in the business, and all revenue streams count and make me less dependent on the bench time. the cast parts and pipes i sell are an integral slice of my income. i want to keep it that way and grow it too. i hope the adjusters and the 1072 bolts help. in my mind, it's better to do this than to offer sales (which i do as well). again - all of this is related to my site's page and not to clients who continue to buy from me direct.

with regard to agenda and communication, the internet can often create shade of grey where none existed, nor should. for all of us it was a lot easier (or more innocent) before we got online. life lessons, and all that.

thanks for the post and for keeping framebuilding vital by chiming in on V place, adding your points of view, and putting materials into the market atmo.

xxoo -