Seeking constructive fillet braze/design criticism

[keefer]

Good Afternoon Y'all,

I've been lurking on this forum for far too long. I am pretty much just starting out on my bicycle frame building journey. I felt like I have learned enough in the last 10 years from taking welding classes, framebuilding classes as well as building a handful bikes for myself and family that I'd finally start building for my friends, who have been asking for a long time as this is what I have been striving for. I had almost completed my 5th frame, a fillet brazed mtb, that I posted on Insta to show the progress to my friend, as well as everyone else watching; I got some pretty harsh criticism from one individual with no specific explanation. I took the post down and immediately reached out to the individual asking for specifics. A week went by and they finally got back to me and said what I am doing is unsafe and well, it sucked, but I wanted to hear from VS Mentors so I can progress-move-forward and build what I know I am capable of eventually building.

I am happy to answer any questions and thanks in advance for looking at my work.






A couple words about the frame. It is obviously not complete. It needs a seat stay bridge, brake support, probably a gusset to make up for the head tube/down tube space, cable routing of course and cleanup. I will state that I have decided to keep this frame for my own testing and will be starting from scratch tomorrow; building a new one for my friend.




Sincerely,

Greg | keefer@incognitocycles.com |

[hampco]

No.

What's the worst that can happen? The worst that can happen is that your seemingly cold fillet with not enough contact and minimal coverage at the center - so the worst spot to have a joint - of the head tube will fail, at speed, sending you face first into the pavement. And if it's your friend he WILL sue you, imho.

There is no shame in going back to the drawing board, refining your fillet brazing, and reworking the front of the frame.

[e-RICHIE]

Greg. Is this you?
https://www.incognitocycles.com/

[keefer]

That's me sir.

[keefer]

Agreed on going back to the drawing board. I modified a previous design I had done in BikeCAD and when I was connecting the TT and DT to the HT, I realized that yeah, there's not enough support there, seemed pretty obvious once I stepped back and looked it. But it was the general critique that the builder had given me with not enough foundation behind their comments. The headtube joint, yeah, that needs to change, and my fillets need a lot more work, before I start selling to anyone. Thanks for the honest feedback Steve. I understand that there are very few builders who just knock it out of the park on a few attempts. I am in this for the long haul, whatever that means in today's climate.

Again, much appreciated.

G

[Curt Goodrich]

My suggestion is to reach out to someone local and ask if they would be willing to demonstrate how they fillet braze. If you find someone willing, show up with gifts and humility. You will shorten your learning curve. As is, the pictured fillets are not in the ballpark as acceptable.

[keefer]

Thank you Curt. I've got a lot of practice ahead of me. I might be able to reach out to Nao Tomii as Ian of Icarus had taught him. Gifts and humility are my speciality. Again, I appreciate the honest feedback on the fillets. I'll just hang that one up as an example of what "not" to do.

[keefer]

Here's a sample braze I did yesterday. I think it's the right direction. Still needs some work on building it up to get the desired end result. Thanks in advance.