Impeachment of Trump, Part Deux

[Clean39T]

He can be disqualified. In several previous instances people were disqualified from holding future office by a simple majority vote of the Senate.

You know if they do it, Giuliani will have a meltdown and start filing court motions like confetti. But you know they'll do that if he's convicted, too, so what the heck.

Hopefully Giuliani will be disbarred shortly....

[Too Tall]

Hopefully Giuliani will be disbarred shortly....

That would be a shame.

[BBB]

Additionally:

He loses his pension and all financial benefits.

He loses Secret Service protection.

He is no longer privy to intelligence briefings.

These are good enough reasons to go through with it.

I'm curious about the intelligence briefing part. Given Trump's apparent lack of a filter, providing him with on-going intelligence briefings would appear to be a security risk. If he is not actually impeached, is this something that the incoming administration can withhold? As I recall Trump took steps to have security clearances torn up when people spoke out against him. Can an ex-President's security clearance be taken away without an impeachment?

[ides1056]

Ex-Presidents are routinely briefed.

[claritycycler]

Can an ex-President's security clearance be taken away without an impeachment?

Anyone know? I can't imagine trump sitting through a briefing when he pretty much checked out paying attention to them when he was in office.

[robin3mj]

Anyone know? I can't imagine trump sitting through a briefing when he pretty much checked out paying attention to them when he was in office.

Ah, but once he’s out of office, he can monetize that information much more easily.

[ides1056]

Exactly.



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Just saying.

[BBB]

Ah, but once he’s out of office, he can monetize that information much more easily.

Or just blab. At least he's subject to some oversight in office.

[Bingissimo]

Or just blab. At least he's subject to some oversight in office.

Pirate Rules. The one about who can tell no tales? Arrrrrggggh!

[Mabouya]

Hopefully Giuliani will be disbarred shortly....

Some on NPR on Monday morning said that disbarring Rudy in NY will not disqualify him from representing Trump.

[AngryScientist]

Removal from office, quickly is crucial IMO.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/12/polit...ats/index.html

"They were talking about 4,000 armed 'patriots' to surround the Capitol and prevent any Democrat from going in," Rep. Conor Lamb, a Pennsylvania Democrat, told CNN's Alisyn Camerota on "New Day." "They have published rules of engagement, meaning when you shoot and when you don't. So this is an organized group that has a plan. They are committed to doing what they're doing because I think in their minds, you know, they are patriots and they're talking about 1776 and so this is now a contest of wills."

Trump is obviously briefed on this stuff, and if he is not big enough to go on national television and tell the entire country to stand down, and make it clear that he will under no circumstances be the president on the afternoon of Jan 20 - then he needs to be removed so those same people can see that there is no hope. His refusal to tell his idiot followers to stand down is shameful and treasonous. We dont need any more violence.

[theflashunc]

Removal from office, quickly is crucial IMO.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/12/polit...ats/index.html



Trump is obviously briefed on this stuff, and if he is not big enough to go on national television and tell the entire country to stand down, and make it clear that he will under no circumstances be the president on the afternoon of Jan 20 - then he needs to be removed so those same people can see that there is no hope. His refusal to tell his idiot followers to stand down is shameful and treasonous. We dont need any more violence.

Him and just about everyone in his party continuing to support this. Kevin McCarthy should be removed from the House. Cruz and Hawley from the Senate. GOP leadership is silent about all this.

[davids]

The ground continues to shift: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/01...25th-amendment

[AngryScientist]

Well said, GOP Rep. Liz Cheney

"On January 6, 2021 a violent mob attacked the United States Capitol to obstruct the process of our democracy and stop the counting of presidential electoral votes. This insurrection caused injury, death and destruction in the most sacred space in our Republic.
Much more will become clear in coming days and weeks, but what we know now is enough. The President of the United States summoned this mob, assembled the mob, and lit the flame of this attack. Everything that followed was his doing. None of this would have happened without the President. The President could have immediately and forcefully intervened to stop the violence. He did not. There has never been a greater betrayal by a President of the United States of his office and his oath to the Constitution.
I will vote to impeach the President."

[Sino]

Anyone know? I can't imagine trump sitting through a briefing when he pretty much checked out paying attention to them when he was in office.

Technically in any position that requires a clearance, once that position ends, so does the clearance unless you move into another position that requires a clearance. With any clearance, "need to know" is part of the rules, so just because you have a top secret clearance for example, doesn't mean you can get access to any information (including less than your clearance level- top secret clearance can't access secret information outside their projects/work for example), beyond your specific scope of work/responsibility.

However, ex-presidents and I *believe* senators and congressmen can still be provided with classified information on a need to know basis without a clearance. Trump will most likely continue to receive classified information about potential threats to him and his family, however beyond that, most likely nothing. He could be consulted as an expert with unique insight, but the chances of any of the next administrations doing that seems pretty slim.

Everyone who has a clearance knows there are severe penalties for breaking the rules, (unless you're Hilary Clinton, but that's another topic altogether and very irksome to anyone who's had a clearance, but I digress).

Should Trump disclose absolutely any classified information for the remainder of his lifetime (including declassified publicly available information) he will be subject to prosecution.

[davids]

Should Trump disclose absolutely any classified information for the remainder of his lifetime (including declassified publicly available information) he will be subject to prosecution.

Whew. That will stop him.

[SlowPokePete]

Trump will most likely continue to receive classified information about potential threats to him and his family...

Maybe that will be enough to keep him busy.

SPP

[jimcav]

Whew. That will stop him.

I think the USA can use this, perhaps the easiest canary trap in espionage history...or an easy barium test opportunity to funnel "fake secrets" to our adversaries

[e-RICHIE]

That would be a shame.

Yeah. He was mayor of all mayors once. Aligning with DJT, especially on these recent matters, undoes all of his successes.

[j44ke]

Yeah. He was mayor of all mayors once. Aligning with DJT, especially on these recent matters, undoes all of his successes.

I dunno. He's always been a creep to me.