Quote Originally Posted by monadnocky View Post
I've been following this thread with interest, while I do find most of the various posts and opinions worth reading, I've got to say, please stop with the attitude of "I'm the only person who can discern truth and the rest of you are living in a fantasy land" (in other thread(s), it usually includes something along the lines of liberal fantasy or something like that). It's not a good look, and it's not a good argument, and it's a complete and total turnoff for anyone trying to take your points seriously (and for what it's worth, I am).

I've been here for a few years - enough to know that there are a lot of very smart people on this forum. Most, by far, aren't living in some Berkley bubble. I've been taken down in size more than once - politely - by several of them, and my respect for them is well-earned, over a long period of time. I'd suggest that you practice some patience in this regard to get the most out of your experience here, but hey, that's just my opinion. I'm not trying to moderate. Just offering my opinion.

Also, the political views on this forum are pretty diverse. OK, I would generally - generally - agree that they tend to lean left. That tends to happen with (generally speaking) college-educated people who own $8,000 custom bikes. But there's a lot of diversity even within this group that you, for whatever reason, can't grasp; more than anyone here, you yourself seem obsessed with the whole idea of the "liberal bubble" or "dream land vs. real world."

I have no idea what you're talking about with this language, and it's not conducive towards persuading anyone regarding what you're arguing.

Everyone here lives in a very, very real world and to imply otherwise is completely insulting.
Thank you for your opinion. You completely misconstrued what the actual point is and what I actually said: theory, especially in this case, does not reflect real world realities. It's not calling anyone an insult, it's the absolute fact that theoretical doesn't mean truth or real.

I will say that I think you are wrong about the demographics. I wager this forum is at the very least 95% middle class+ white males, with the overwhelming majority of those males being firmly on the left and or liberal. (FWIW, I'm a first generation American, my parents moved here to escape USSR persecution, which I suppose is why I am against any direction that moves towards communism or socialism).