The Vaccine Thread

[zetroc]

Knowingly linking to disinformation is, itself, a form of disinformation.

[beeatnik]

Knowingly linking to disinformation is, itself, a form of disinformation.

Wait! Are you saying The Rapture isn’t imminent? I need to consult with one of the Bishops (Theology PhDs!) at the Cathedral for a better understanding of the Book of Revelation. I was sure I saw a Horseman a few days ago.

[Matthew Strongin]

My wife called this morning at 3:30, telling me our son had a heart attack and our daughter was driving him to the ER.

Short story is he's in a cardiac unit. Provisional diagnosis is myocarditis. Tested positive for the blood marker indicating inflammation. She is pissed, blaming it on the vaccine, which she has eschewed. Tells me to "do my own research." Seriously.

I trust medical science. He is in a good place to deal with whatever is wrong, likely a response to a recent respiratory virus.

I have buckled my seat belt.

Scary stuff. Hoping for a speedy recovery!

[bigbill]

^That wasn't the point and I didn't think it necessary to add too much commentary. Your bias is showing again. I should be explicit. Here are my "points."

1. There's high transmission in Arizona at the moment. This is unfortunate and, likely, heterogenous.
2. A county that borders Mexico where more than 80% of the residents are Latinx has a sheriff who doesn't reflect its demographics and likely voting patterns. This looks to me to be illustrative of the type of exploitation that is still common in low SES rural communities in the southwest.
3. The database that the sheriff believes is tied to federal funding is, in my opinion, a good source of data. We should know who is vaccinated and who isn't and these numbers should be reported in real time to get a true idea of breakthrough rates, ie, a system similar to the one in the UK.
4. Apocalyptic Christian eschatology in 2021 is funny to me.

Not sure what my bias is, but I guess I'm feeding a troll. My post related the death rates versus vaccination rates. Your post had absolutely nothing to do with my post that you quoted. Please stop doing that.

[BBB]

Mr. Cortez, I would also like vaccines to be "mandatory." In fact, I wouldn't be against forced vaccination (similar to forced abortions in China back during the one child era). Then following periods of continued transmission, suffering and death (at lower rates, of course), maybe, possibly, our society would be forced to provide nutritious meals and pollution free environments to residents of the inner city (lowering known Covid risk at the environmental and biological level), humane care to the elderly, and, finally, elite level Pasadena Poly $50k/year educations to every person in Central CA, Navajo AZ and West Virginia to guarantee future affluence and low morbidity.

This falls in the passive aggressive bucket. A yes, quickly followed by the use of inverted commas with the word mandatory and a comparison to forced abortions. Then a segue into other issues. All when a yes or no would have sufficed.

[beeatnik]

Not sure what my bias is, but I guess I'm feeding a troll. My post related the death rates versus vaccination rates. Your post had absolutely nothing to do with my post that you quoted. Please stop doing that.

Well, I apologize for expecting you to be interested in being informed about an official (and related issues) in your state. Anyway, I hope the situation you continue to report on is unique to your industry and location. Those rates of vaccine hesitancy or rejection and those rates of infection (35%) and morbidity/mortality in your workforce are not only a human tragedy but a political catastrophe. Hypothetical (which I know you'll ignore): if you had an entirely vaccinated workforce and 20% reported breakthrough cases, would you share that information here?

[beeatnik]

This falls in the passive aggressive bucket. A yes, quickly followed by the use of inverted commas with the word mandatory and a comparison to forced abortions. Then a segue into other issues. All when a yes or no would have sufficed.

Sure.

Bikes and Vaccines in this one:

https://itsgoingdown.org/reflections...-rotterdam-nl/
I don’t know where to start writing about this. On the one hand I’m overtaken by emotion, still processing the things I witnessed last night. On the other hand I’m trying to make sense of what has happened from the perspective of someone who believes in social revolution. I don’t think the latter will be something that I can fit into this short, emotionally laden piece of text, but some things need to be said about this right now. What happened last night was so much more than the supposed “fascist riot” many are dismissing it as.

Last night a protest against the (renewed) Coronavirus measures was called. This protest was clearly initiated by people that should, for the most part, be called fascist. These protests draw a crowd much more diverse than just fascists, however, and the discontent is broadening, especially now that the state is imposing more and stricter repression to control the spread of the virus.

[takashi]

lol when will you guys learn

[bironi]

This falls in the passive aggressive bucket. A yes, quickly followed by the use of inverted commas with the word mandatory and a comparison to forced abortions. Then a segue into other issues. All when a yes or no would have sufficed.

I have recently found the ignore option.
Save yourself some unnecessary grief.
Try it, you'll like it.

[zetroc]

Comparing forced vaccination to forced abortion is straight out of the disinformation playbook.

[beeatnik]

Comparing forced vaccination to forced abortion is straight out of the disinformation playbook.

Yo, I’m not comparing, I’m advocating if there would be a net good to society. I subscribe to utilitarianism when it comes to outcomes for the underclass.

[fastupslowdown]

Interesting quote from an article on boosters in Israel. The data suggests that boosters may last 9-11 months or longer. The novel insight was that maybe the booster is really the 2nd shot in that insufficient time lapsed between the first and second dose. 3 weeks really is a short gap -Mike G

[fastupslowdown]

Switzerland is a multi-lingual nation, not just German speaking. The four include German, French, Italian and Romansh. All Swiss people speak all of them perfectly. ;-)

That said, most of the vaccine skepticism in that part of the world has similar origins to the skepticism in the US and elsewhere. It’s people who have been led to believe various conspiracies about the science and origins of the vaccine and/or virus.

That's not my understanding and I doubt many people speak Romansh

[fastupslowdown]

Switzerland is a multi-lingual nation, not just German speaking. The four include German, French, Italian and Romansh. All Swiss people speak all of them perfectly. ;-)

That said, most of the vaccine skepticism in that part of the world has similar origins to the skepticism in the US and elsewhere. It’s people who have been led to believe various conspiracies about the science and origins of the vaccine and/or virus.

I'd say it differently. In the U.S. there's a growing anti-authority movement and distrust of vaccines stem from it. Initial vaccine hesitancy probably started around the time of Gerald Ford and the Swine Flu vaccine mis-step but now its become political -Mike G

[Chik]

That's not my understanding and I doubt many people speak Romansh

Yeah, they are a bit rare outside of the Engadin.

[Saab2000]

That's not my understanding and I doubt many people speak Romansh

Well, I can't report anything beyond what I've seen with my own eyes and heard from family and friends over there.

As to all Swiss people speaking all four languages perfectly, obviously I'm being facetious. But the percentage of Swiss people who are fluent at a conversational level in at least three languages is amazing, and this often includes French, German and Italian and many are also excellent English speakers as well.

[colker]

I'd say it differently. In the U.S. there's a growing anti-authority movement and distrust of vaccines stem from it. Initial vaccine hesitancy probably started around the time of Gerald Ford and the Swine Flu vaccine mis-step but now its become political -Mike G

Do anti authority drivers still stop at red lights?

[Scott G.]

Do anti authority drivers still stop at red lights?

No, the red of the sign is a clear giveaway, stop signs are socialist.


Got the booster today, doc said is was the new 'cool ranch' flavor.

[XR2]

OK a little research for those who use the fact Covid still exists to argue against the efficacy of vaccines,particularly the Covid vaccine.

In 1796 the first attempt at inoculation against smallpox was given to an 8 year old boy. (if your not familiar with that read up on it.....A bold move IMO) In 1977 the last verified case of smallpox occurred in Somalia.It takes time effort and patience to defeat Mother Nature. Odds are everyone reading this has been vaccinated against it.

[earlfoss]

Count on people to turn a public health issue into this mess. Just get vaccinated.