What should a show bike be?

[e-RICHIE]

If you have a "judged" category fine offer a playbook I think there will be folks who aspire to be the kings and queens of this aspect and will have followers.

ruff ruff atmo -

[RudAwkning]

I only buy frames from winners ;)

[Don Walker]

this crap is wearing me down and I don't like it.

DW

[e-RICHIE]

this crap is wearing me down and I don't like it.

DW

[Ahneida Ride Hide]

I like to think that any of the bikes at the show could be wheeled out the door and taken for a long hard ride and used in their element.
Dave

That just about sums it up.

Bling is just fine ..... I love Bling, but it should also enhance functionality.

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How about glimpses into the future ? What if Campy shows up with a
12 speed prototype? Shimano introduces a crank that also catches fish?

:D

[crumpton]

this crap is wearing me down and I don't like it.

DW

making you feel all...

[Don Walker]

I'm really glad we can all find humor in it.

me? not so much.

DW

[Archibald]

I'm really glad we can all find humor in it.

me? not so much.

DW

[e-RICHIE]

I'm really glad we can all find humor in it.

me? not so much.

DW

don't get all me me me personal about this and shit atmo.
we appreciate nahbs and the effort behind it. your decisions
are not always the best ones. we view the awards thing as
a bad one, or at least one deserving of discussion - which is
what we are doing after carl started the thread. i have been
against these since day one, and have put my money where
my mouth is by never allowing my bicycles to be judged once
nahbs left houston. the others can make their choices atmo.
the show isn't perfect. some of us who care about it and have
accepted it into our daily routine are allowed to have strong
opinions, and we are voicing them here.

[Don Walker]

im out.

DW

[EnginCycles]

im out.

DW

Don,
Why are you unwilling to HEAR other people's opinion? OK you want the awards. Fine it is your show and the awards will stay. I actually have less issue with the awards and a bigger issue with the trophy's. They are stupid, big, ugly and a waste on MY money. I have one sitting in my warehouse that will continue to collect dust until i finally feel it is in the way and get rid of it. I WANT TO MAKE THE AWARD FOR THE NEXT BEST OFF ROAD!!!!!!!!!!

I have said it before and will say it again. The trophy's are stupid. Even a plaque is better.

I guess you want the feel of the voting, awards and setting things on a higher level (if the awards do that sort of thing?).

I will not deny i liked winning the award. This year i will need to make a decision about how i feel about the process. I was under the impression there would be a panel of judges but i am now thinking that is a non reality. That would be my vote.

RELAX, have a Coke and a smile. It is all just criticism and it is also coming from PAYING customers so you really should accept it.

Cheers,
Drew

[hampco]

Don,
Even a plague is better.

ummm... drew?

i had the plague once, bubonic - it sucked

give me atrophy any day

[EnginCycles]

ummm... drew?

i had the plague once, bubonic - it sucked

give me atrophy any day

yea typed it faster and lacked spell check (well i spelled the word right just wrong letter). I fixed it. Thanks, what a response buster.

Later,
Drew

[taz]

ummm... drew?

i had the plague once, bubonic - it sucked

give me atrophy any day

OH GOD - CAN'T BREATHE!

that is so freaking hilarious, i can't stand it.

- taz

now back to your regularly scheduled programming

[Don Walker]

double entry. sorry

[Don Walker]

Don,
Why are you unwilling to HEAR other people's opinion? OK you want the awards. Fine it is your show and the awards will stay. I actually have less issue with the awards and a bigger issue with the trophy's. They are stupid, big, ugly and a waste on MY money. I have one sitting in my warehouse that will continue to collect dust until i finally feel it is in the way and get rid of it. I WANT TO MAKE THE AWARD FOR THE NEXT BEST OFF ROAD!!!!!!!!!!

I have said it before and will say it again. The trophy's are stupid. Even a plaque is better.

I guess you want the feel of the voting, awards and setting things on a higher level (if the awards do that sort of thing?).

I will not deny i liked winning the award. This year i will need to make a decision about how i feel about the process. I was under the impression there would be a panel of judges but i am now thinking that is a non reality. That would be my vote.

RELAX, have a Coke and a smile. It is all just criticism and it is also coming from PAYING customers so you really should accept it.

Cheers,
Drew

Drew,

I realize I (NAHBS) cant be everything to everybody. I also realize that my sensitivity to it all is a bit extreme this close to the show. we are a month out and the list of crap I have to do grows faster than I can do it.



DW

[Ahneida Ride Hide]

Hey Don

Feeling overwhelmed ? :boy_hug:

I offered to help, once I got out there. Arriving Wed night with Kelly.
I'll be there the whole show .....

No-one got back to me. My offer is still there.
You name it ... I'll do it !! :adore:

:D

[sacha white]

Don, It is obvious through conversations that we have had off-line and through everything that you have said online that the awards are important to you. And that you think that the awards are important for NAHBS.

I was thinking about it yesterday and for the life of me, I can't figure out why you feel this way. From the outsiders perspective:

- There is no financial benefit to NAHBS (I'm thinking that they actually cost you money).
- It doesn't bring more attention to your own personal bike brands.
-The ceremony at the end doesn't draw all that big of a crowd and isn't a big media focus.
- Many of the builders who (should) matter, think that the awards have no place in a show like NAHBS and have been expressing this more and more clearly and frequently.


So my question is why is it so important to you to have awards. Why do you feel so strongly about keeping them around?

To be clear, this is not meant as an attack, or as a way of making one person right and another wrong, so I hope you don't take it that way. But with all the talk about awards lately, I think we could all benefit from understanding your perspective on the matter a little better.

-Sacha

[Archibald]

Don, It is obvious through conversations that we have had off-line and through everything that you have said online that the awards are important to you. And that you think that the awards are important for NAHBS.

I was thinking about it yesterday and for the life of me, I can't figure out why you feel this way. From the outsiders perspective:

- There is no financial benefit to NAHBS (I'm thinking that they actually cost you money).
- It doesn't bring more attention to your own personal bike brands.
-The ceremony at the end doesn't draw all that big of a crowd and isn't a big media focus.
- Many of the builders who (should) matter, think that the awards have no place in a show like NAHBS and have been expressing this more and more clearly and frequently.


So my question is why is it so important to you to have awards. Why do you feel so strongly about keeping them around?

To be clear, this is not meant as an attack, or as a way of making one person right and another wrong, so I hope you don't take it that way. But with al the talk about awards lately, I think we could all benefit from understanding your perspective on the matter a little better.

-Sacha

My guess is it's a case of going to Abilene.

[Don Walker]

Don, It is obvious through conversations that we have had off-line and through everything that you have said online that the awards are important to you. And that you think that the awards are important for NAHBS.

I was thinking about it yesterday and for the life of me, I can't figure out why you feel this way. From the outsiders perspective:

- There is no financial benefit to NAHBS (I'm thinking that they actually cost you money).
- It doesn't bring more attention to your own personal bike brands.
-The ceremony at the end doesn't draw all that big of a crowd and isn't a big media focus..

- Many of the builders who (should) matter, think that the awards have no place in a show like NAHBS and have been expressing this more and more clearly and frequently.


So my question is why is it so important to you to have awards. Why do you feel so strongly about keeping them around?

To be clear, this is not meant as an attack, or as a way of making one person right and another wrong, so I hope you don't take it that way. But with all the talk about awards lately, I think we could all benefit from understanding your perspective on the matter a little better.

-Sacha

Almost every industry that has a show or showcase has some sort of awards within. Whether it be the Westminster dog show, the music industry, Screen Actors Guild, etc all have some sort of awards for recognizing the achievements of its members. I feel in the handmade industry, its also important to have recognition for those who have proven themselves to be the upper echelon to their peers and the public.

It costs me money to have awards. However, I feel that its worth every penny. To see builders get some recognition, with more of it coming from some main media outlets. I know quite a few builders who have benefited from this exposure.


I have sacrificed much of my time each year just to make sure NAHBS happens. Its obvious my integrity lies within our industry and not just for my own brand.


The last few years, we have had photographers lining up 20-30 minutes ahead of the awards for a prime location to shoot the winners. In PDX, there were people that were so crowded around the stage area that it took a while for some of the winners to actually make it to the stage. Velonews did a report on the winners in Portland, as well as other mags/rags.


All of the builders matter. The problem is one that cant be easily solved and have everyone feel that its fair, but unfortunately "fair" is something that can never be agreed upon unanimously.

If I cut out the awards all together, we have no climax to the show on Sunday.

Having the awards on Sunday is the perfect close to the weekend of hanging out with your brethren. It makes the weekend seem "complete". As stated above, it's a climax to the entire previous year. Some folks go home and post pics of the winners on flickr, photobucket or whatever other hosting site, websites, blogs, etc. It provides the opportunity to have extra pics and/or notoriety, which is essentially added "free" publicity. No one can complain about extra publicity. You cannot put a price on that kind of exposure.



If you have any additional questions, please email me directly.

Mods, please lock this thread.

DW