lets set the terminology straight

[Mike Mcdermid]

blowjob or handjob .....when in Vegas I always come up short

[11.4]

Isn't this like the consternation over why gears are expressed in numbers based on 27" wheels even if wheel size varies? No one is ever going to agree.

And why extrapolate from frame-related terminology to medical or pharmaceutical measurements? Especially when no one has even pleaded for a standardization of c-c or c-t?

[crumpton]

nice to know who 11.4 is ;-)

that fedex show up yet?

Isn't this like the consternation over why gears are expressed in numbers based on 27" wheels even if wheel size varies? No one is ever going to agree.

And why extrapolate from frame-related terminology to medical or pharmaceutical measurements? Especially when no one has even pleaded for a standardization of c-c or c-t?

[rabo]

To this day I'm surprised when I ask the way and get answers like this:
How far is that from here sir? "About halve an hour"

[David Tollefson]

In high traffic areas, time is BY FAR the more relevant measure than distance.

[Will Neide]

To this day I'm surprised when I ask the way and get answers like this:
How far is that from here sir? "About halve an hour"

I always try to take the bigger half.

[11.4]

nice to know who 11.4 is ;-)

that fedex show up yet?

What? Ya want me to send it back?

[WadePatton]

To this day I'm surprised when I ask the way and get answers like this:
How far is that from here sir? "About halve an hour"

most accurate measure of commute time i ever did here is "it's a 2-beer drive".

...it was related to me, but i believe it happened.

[bcm119]

a "mil" is not a millimeter or a mm but rather 1 mil= .001"

abbreviation for millimeter is in fact mm.

incidentally a "mil" is also an angular unit of measurement, sometimes encountered on topo maps where the magnetic declination angle is given in mils.
Angular mil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[crumpton]

but not in the machine shop right?

incidentally a "mil" is also an angular unit of measurement, sometimes encountered on topo maps where the magnetic declination angle is given in mils.
Angular mil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[crumpton]

What? Ya want me to send it back?

no, i want you to ride the stink out of it.

[edoz]

The english word is fillet, and prounced Fill-it.....ie the same wether food related or metalwork..... America seems to prefer filet when it comes to cuisine.....and is pronounced Fill-eh.

just sayin'

Well, I would defend it by saying that the French spelling is so entrenxhed that even McDonald's has Filet -o-Fish, but this is the thread to split hairs, so ya got me.

[bcm119]

but not in the machine shop right?

right, just a side story. I'm a cartographer.

[abbeyQ]

manitouFS-manitou3_older.jpg
Well there have been frames with rear forks.

"front fork" raises my hackles too.

[abbeyQ]

Let's cut to the chase - what is a framebuilder? Is it someone who can build, or does build, a
frame? Or does one become a framebuilder after reaching a number or experience level atmo?

Call yourself what ever the hell you want to so long as you stop beating that dead horse.

[e-RICHIE]

Call yourself what ever the hell you want to so long as you stop beating that dead horse.

You don't deserve a reply.

[Curt Goodrich]

Let's cut to the chase - what is a framebuilder? Is it someone who can build, or does build, a
frame? Or does one become a framebuilder after reaching a number or experience level atmo?

I think of the term framebuilder as a vocation or career where one derives their income from building bicycle frames.

[seanile]

How about custom versus handmade? The word "custom" get thrown around by owners of big name bikes. Why does custom only apply to custom sized? If I have a stock sized frame made for me when I ask, is it still considered custom, or just "on-demand". If I have my frame "customized" with a pump peg and fender mounts, can that be considered custom as well? I'm not even sure where I stand on this - I just know I have a hand-fabricated frame and would like more. But I always correct people when they say "Oh, you have a custom bike". I respond with "It's a stock size, but it was made for me".

custom is a sub-classification of handmade

Let's cut to the chase - what is a framebuilder? Is it someone who can build, or does build, a frame? Or does one become a framebuilder after reaching a number or experience level atmo?

imho, when you get a check/$ for a service you've provided or performed, you may take on the title that accompanies that service; plumber, tree trimmer, server, chef, mechanic, dancer, actor, etc.

[Andrew R Stewart]

custom is a sub-classification of handmade


imho, when you get a check/$ for a service you've provided or performed, you may take on the title that accompanies that service; plumber, tree trimmer, server, chef, mechanic, dancer, actor, etc.

I've stayed out of this till I read the above. Not sure i agree with the last sentence. I've known many people who do services for pay but don't call themselves "plumber..." when the money hits the road, as in on their 1040 forms.

I build frames, but currently I'm no frame builder. When I was paid for it and also claimed the $ as income I was a frame builder. Then i also claimed the cost of tools (and other costs of doing business) against the income. Now i don't so I'm no builder as i see it.

Some time ago (in the early years of this interweb community stuff) i offered the term "gentleman builder" as a description that might cover my situation. Now i feel that hobbyist" best describes me. Until some one does all the proper business qualifications (including state sales tax account and insurance) they are not a frame builder in my eyes. Andy.

[Sean in CA]

Attachment 65382- Garro.

I think John Prolly owes you some royalties!