downsize the fantasy atmo -

[ThomD]

Based on the rates, the numbers say zero for any serious amounts. Also, the client wouldn't see any money until he was all the way through his likely recovery, though it is welcome whenever it comes, but you need the money when you are making decisions on care, not 5-10 years later. Some sectors like car accidents are well regulated, the rest are open warfare between insurance companies. In Canada the government health care providers are going to sue for recovery also. It all gets terribly expensive, slow, and not a good experience. Plus you get to have 400 X-rays while everyone who touches the file says "hey, you know what would be nice to see..."

[ThomD]

Just by coincidence I was looking through this photostream:

Johnsen Frameworks' favorite photos and videos | Flickr

Something on page 3 came up in a search. Wow, a lot of benders and mitering shots from different shops in those pages. I think I get where all this inspiration to tool up is coming from. Other shops. I suppose it was inevitable that the technology level of small shops would reach a point of 80 to 100 years ago at some stage. Looking at all the photos felt a little like watching violent porn in that set-up from Clockwork Orange.

[e-RICHIE]

I think I get where all this inspiration to tool up is coming from. <cut>

It case you missed it, my inspiration to tool up is articulated here atmo -

http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum...tml#post363562

I bought the tools, used them all, and then sold all but the ones that made money for me.

[L.gunnar]

Thankyou so much for sharing this. Whatever the outcomes for those of us included in the articles description,ts very encouraging and exciting. The culture on this forum is warm, friendly, and the master perspectives shared selflessly and with humour.

[ThomD]

It case you missed it, my inspiration to tool up is articulated here atmo -

http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum...tml#post363562

I bought the tools, used them all, and then sold all but the ones that made money for me.

Yeah, I read the whole, thread. Valuable insight. My joke was just that all anyone sees in the picture of the JIG. Though if it helps, I can't remember what kind it was. :)

[Luke]

Great article, and great responses...
As a beginner, it gets frustrating not having the extra money to plop down for high-zoot machinery.
I make do with what I have, or what I can make cheaply. (maybe for now, maybe forever?)
A friend with a CNC at work has helped me make a few fixture parts from scraps,
but I've bought very little. Time with a file in my hand is like meditation...
but we all build for different reasons.
;)

[Willie1]

Luke, I like your posts.

"Time with a file in my hand is like meditation..."

I find wheel building like this.

[Andrew R Stewart]

Luke, I like your posts.

"Time with a file in my hand is like meditation..."

I find wheel building like this.

And i'll add-- the reason many go through this building thing. The riding is our gift to mour selves. Andy.

[success]

so, if I'm getting this right.
a sharpie
a hack saw
a 8" half round file
some 80 grit
a torch
and maybe a graduated straightedge of some sort

this combined with the gumption to engage in the process and Im on my way

[Andrew R Stewart]

Bench vice (and tube blocks) or bike repair stand, a drill and some bits, straight and dished wheel set, scratch awl (sharpened spoke), masking tape and a drawing large enough to use as a template. The list could go on but these very basic tools (with your list) are really all you need. Most everything else is about speed and preferences. Andy.

[e-RICHIE]

Happy to see this thread surface again atmo.
Any questions, just ask...

[Greensabbath]

I've only built two frame so far; the first being lugged, the second being lugged except for the headtube joints which were fillet brazed and I would like to try my hand at a fully fillet brazed one next. I have very minimal tooling with very little fixturing and holding the ht/dt joint for tacking was quite a chore. Is there any easy/cheap way of holding tubes together for fillet brazing short of using a jig?

So far, my process has been ST to BB, then HT/DT, then braze those assemblies together using the HT and ST to sight it for plane, then do both top tube joints at once. Thanks for any suggestions.

[PJN]

so, if I'm getting this right.
a sharpie
a hack saw
a 8" half round file
some 80 grit
a torch
and maybe a graduated straightedge of some sort

this combined with the gumption to engage in the process and Im on my way

And insurance.

[fortyfour]

And insurance.

But not until you decide it's high time to hang out the shingle. Liability Insurance in is an investment. However, if you don't know your way around a vise and a file yet, there is no need.

Become one with the tools through repetition. Understand the materials nuances by working with it. Make lots of mistakes. Observe what went wrong. Perfect your methodology. Learn to control your heat input. Ask questions. Put safety above everything else. Cleanliness is next to nothing. Files. Hacksaw. Emory. Torch. Vise. Bench. Practice.

[success]

Files. Hacksaw. Emory. Torch. Vise. Bench. Practice.

I love this

and really great advice
on other projects I have spent so much time jigging and fixturing that the desire to complete the task had passed before the real undertaking had begun.

Finding this advice might be the thing that actually lets me see this project to fruition. I had already started sourcing the aluminum extrusions. Swiped a new McMaster Carr catalog. and was thinking about how to turn the HT, ST and BB pieces for a jig.

All of that business in my brain has been stopped.


I have switched the energy to reaching out to local builders in the hopes that one will teach me brazing.
If it doesn't happen, I'll do the community college welding course this spring.


I will get my mind jigged up and my heart fixtured first.

[e-RICHIE]

Files. Hacksaw. Emory. Torch. Vise. Bench. Practice.

I love this

and really great advice
on other projects I have spent so much time jigging and fixturing that the desire to complete the task had passed before the real undertaking had begun.

Finding this advice might be the thing that actually lets me see this project to fruition. I had already started sourcing the aluminum extrusions. Swiped a new McMaster Carr catalog. and was thinking about how to turn the HT, ST and BB pieces for a jig.

All of that business in my brain has been stopped.


I have switched the energy to reaching out to local builders in the hopes that one will teach me brazing.
If it doesn't happen, I'll do the community college welding course this spring.


I will get my mind jigged up and my heart fixtured first.

This ^ is why I still post atmo.

[Rayburn Shaun]

This thread leaves me conflicted.

[e-RICHIE]

This thread leaves me conflicted.

What would help?

[Rayburn Shaun]

Just making something. Forget the noise. Go make it happen. Smile. I dunno.

Go ride.

[Rayburn Shaun]

Richard-

Honestly, there is nothing that really helps. Other than satisfying the need to produce.

You were a big part of my inspiration in the Bicycle Guide days, thank you for that. Got me started on my journey. =)

RS aka Tom