2011 Columbus stuff

[steve garro]

29er tubeset. 7/5/7 for a down tube makes me nervous. I am also tempted to build myself one and see how long it lasts.

One season or less race bike - Garro.

[Archibald]

.8/.5/.8 is the minimum DT for a steel MTB in my mind. If you want to get all weight weenis, then sidestep steel for some aluminum or ti. 7/4/7 is just asking for a DT buckle especially with today's long forks. You could get away with it when everybody was running 26" with 63mm up front or running rigid (but careful here too as with a rigid front end the blows are sharper) but it's crazy on a 29er if you're actually going to MTB with it. Loamy flow trails, sure. Rocks, tech, and gnar? No f'n way.

[edoz]

Yeah, that 7/4/7 idea is just morbid curiosity on my part. I've only used 8/5/8 on a 29er once, and she weighs 135lbs. When someone asks me what my frames weigh, I just shrug my shoulders and look at them like they're crazy for asking:)
That Max tubeset is gonna make my fat ass a really nice road bike though.

[Archibald]

When someone asks me what my frames weigh, I just shrug my shoulders and look at them like they're crazy for asking:)

"You going to ride it or weigh it?" -- Richard Fuckin' Sachs

[ulrich vogel]

Hi Steve,

Mauro Mondonico Sales Manager Columbus: [email protected]
Altissimo Lorenzo Dedacciai: [email protected]

Ulrich

[edoz]

"You going to ride it or weigh it?" -- Richard Fuckin' Sachs

"A heavy bike is faster than a broken bike" - Steve Fuckin' Garro

[Dazza]

Do you guys have a contact e-mail? is it on the site? Cool Beans on the CS's Dazza, I looked for some after you mentioned it, and was very surprised that I didn't see any. - Garro.

I will let you know when I get them, some time in 2011

[Thylacine Cycles]

It took a while but OS XCr and XL XCr for lugs is coming, however supply of the raw material is the big bottle neck. If Columbus could get tonnage of the XCr raw material we would be swimming in it.

It's too expensive to be 'swimming in it'. Although it's popular here, unless the customer is a diehard steel fan, they'll opt for Ti every time, so unless there's a price drop in the raw material I'd be surprised if XCR supplants any of the 'regular' steels.

[Dazza]

It's too expensive to be 'swimming in it'. Although it's popular here, unless the customer is a diehard steel fan, they'll opt for Ti every time, so unless there's a price drop in the raw material I'd be surprised if XCR supplants any of the 'regular' steels.

for a production set up maybe
but my punters want it
and I am only steel
other builders have orders for it
but it has no real value unless you live on a yacht
I have not taken any deposits for XCr till I have it my hands here

[steve garro]

"A heavy bike is faster than a broken bike" - Steve Fuckin' Garro

You have been following me for awhile, huh? - Garro.

[edoz]

You have been following me for awhile, huh? - Garro.

As a matter of fact, yeah. When I decided to build my first frame back in 07 I did some searching for fillet braze builders and found your blog. I liked what I saw and have been reading it since then. If I hadn't started building my own, I'd have bought one of yours.

[Archibald]

If I hadn't started building my own, I'd have bought one of yours.

Never, ever tell a framebuilder this.

Always tell them, "If I didn't think I could do better, I'd have bought one of yours."

That's how you get the major brownie points and apprenticeship offers.

[pruckelshaus]

Never, ever tell a framebuilder this.

Always tell them, "If I didn't think I could do better, I'd have bought one of yours."

That's how you get the major brownie points and apprenticeship offers.

Really? Comes off as sort of arrogant. I look at the work of some of the builders here and say "sure, some day, I can do better, but they'll be better by then, too". And then I look at the work of some other builders here and, without putting them on a pedestal, tell myself that that is the sort of builder that I aspire to be someday. Might I someday be better that those builders? Possibly, but that doesn't diminish the work of those builders that inspire and drive me.

And, sure, I'd love an apprenticeship of some sort, but it would need to be summers only (I'm a high school teacher) and within an hour or so of where I live, which narrows things down a bit. And it would need to be a teacher/mentor type relationship, not an exploitation of free labor type of relationship. Been there, done that (as a programmer, not a framebuilder), left before I lost all my pride.

Pete

[steve garro]

Never, ever tell a framebuilder this.

Always tell them, "If I didn't think I could do better, I'd have bought one of yours."

then ask tons of questions! :} - Garro.

[steve garro]

Really? Comes off as sort of arrogant. I look at the work of some of the builders here and say "sure, some day, I can do better, but they'll be better by then, too".
And, sure, I'd love an apprenticeship of some sort, but it would need to be summers only (I'm a high school teacher) and within an hour or so of where I live, which narrows things down a bit. And it would need to be a teacher/mentor type relationship, not an exploitation of free labor type of relationship. Pete

1: damn right, Skippy. And that's if you can scare up the 100's & 100's of frame bike sales to get there. #2: And what would you be willing to pay for this oppertunity? - Garro.

[Archibald]

Really? Comes off as sort of arrogant. I look at the work of some of the builders here and say "sure, some day, I can do better, but they'll be better by then, too". And then I look at the work of some other builders here and, without putting them on a pedestal, tell myself that that is the sort of builder that I aspire to be someday. Might I someday be better that those builders? Possibly, but that doesn't diminish the work of those builders that inspire and drive me.

And, sure, I'd love an apprenticeship of some sort, but it would need to be summers only (I'm a high school teacher) and within an hour or so of where I live, which narrows things down a bit. And it would need to be a teacher/mentor type relationship, not an exploitation of free labor type of relationship. Been there, done that (as a programmer, not a framebuilder), left before I lost all my pride.

Pete

To surpass the master is to repay the debt.

Or I could have just been being sarcastic.

[Archibald]

then ask tons of questions! :} - Garro.

Gets it!

[EricKeller]

Never, ever tell a framebuilder this.

Always tell them, "If I didn't think I could do better, I'd have bought one of yours."

That's how you get the major brownie points and apprenticeship offers.

I was going to say "that's why I built my own jig," but the thread went right into the toilet before I could do it.

[Thylacine Cycles]

To surpass the master is to repay the debt.

Or I could have just been being sarcastic.

Many lolz

[GSmith]

It's too expensive to be 'swimming in it'. Although it's popular here, unless the customer is a diehard steel fan, they'll opt for Ti every time, so unless there's a price drop in the raw material I'd be surprised if XCR supplants any of the 'regular' steels.

Our experience has been different. We have found that most of our customers prefer the XCr over ti, unless they specifically want a ti frame. In other words, it has been far more additive than not.