The Golden Mean

[CyclesNoir]

Question for the gang.....

When laying out a series of holes with different sizes, such as in the point of a lug or the tang of a fork crown, do any of you try to apply the Golden Mean or Fibonacci numbers?

If so, can you explain your method?

Cheers,

Cycles Noir

[e-RICHIE]

Question for the gang.....

When laying out a series of holes with different sizes, such as in the point of a lug or the tang of a fork crown, do any of you try to apply the Golden Mean or Fibonacci numbers?

If so, can you explain your method?

Cheers,

Cycles Noir

to be perfectly candid, i eyeball them atmo.
no, really...

[bellman]

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[Taylor]

I was thinking about this recently as well, in relation to a grid.
It would be interesting to pick a tubeset this way (Fibonacci)... If trees and every other strong design in nature are based on it, I don't see how I could go wrong.

[Thylacine Cycles]

Just put hearts and spades in there, you know, just to be unique.

[WadePatton]

as i took philosophy courses instead of art for electives in college, this thread launched me into a seek and discover and learn mode.

that's neat stuff. math and science and nature and all the interrelated goodness.

so thanks, now i know.

and as to other aspect of the question in the op--can't one (not saying me) have a great feel for balance and proportion w/o formal education in those areas, say just naturally? because of course one cannot be familiar with the "golden mean" or fibonacci w/o some level of training, but one could possibly have an "eye".

[Craig Ryan]

as i took philosophy courses instead of art for electives in college, this thread launched me into a seek and discover and learn mode.

that's neat stuff. math and science and nature and all the interrelated goodness.

so thanks, now i know.

and as to other aspect of the question in the op--can't one (not saying me) have a great feel for balance and proportion w/o formal education in those areas, say just naturally? because of course one cannot be familiar with the "golden mean" or fibonacci w/o some level of training, but one could possibly have an "eye".

As an art teacher of HS kids...
Yes. Usually the ones that see it and get it don't have a clue what the mean is and it's historical context until they are shown. All of them can apply principles of composition with instruction. Everybody improves, some very little, some a lot. The good ones just get a lot better quicker.

[themanmonkey]

that's neat stuff. math and science and nature and all the interrelated goodness.

If that kind of stuff interests you read Godel, Escher, Bach. I read it in HS 23 years ago and it broke my brain and affected my thinking ever since.

[WadePatton]

If that kind of stuff interests you read Godel, Escher, Bach. I read it in HS 23 years ago and it broke my brain and affected my thinking ever since.

have a copy somewhere. 'twas required reading* for one of the philosophy classes.

*doesn't mean i read it, just got "familiar" enough with it for discussion and testing...it's an add thing.

always fascinated by places where the mind** "crosses" such as here with higher math and art.

**our understanding of the mind and how these things fit into our mathematical explanations. (the problems of general relativity and hawkings' work on that and gravitational issues resolved by theorizing 9-11 dimensions. that sort of stuff

back to my comments on the op--my fascination here is the cross-over. we don't generally see artists as mathematical folks, nor do we see physicists/mathematician/scientists as artisans, but there are relationships 'twixt the two.

are we "imposing" math upon art, or is art naturally mathematical?

phfew, i should rest now.

[CyclesNoir]

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"always fascinated by places where the mind** "crosses" such as here with higher math and art.

**our understanding of the mind and how these things fit into our mathematical explanations. (the problems of general relativity and hawkings' work on that and gravitational issues resolved by theorizing 9-11 dimensions. that sort of stuff

back to my comments on the op--my fascination here is the cross-over. we don't generally see artists as mathematical folks, nor do we see physicists/mathematician/scientists as artisans, but there are relationships 'twixt the two. "


Been off the great cyber highway for a week. Interesting points. In a past career as a software development manager, it was pretty much accepted as fact that those who were good at music, were also good at programming and mathematics. I never saw a hire of a music major, or skilled musician, that didn't prove to be good at coding.

Anyhow, eyeballs are great, and I think mine are usually pretty good. But, I'm still playing with tools to make things work better/faster.

Someone asked about examples of Fibonacci numbers actually used in art. I'm not going to try to address that question except on a superficial level. The example I've heard, is that the taper of a classic column is defined using Fibonacci numbers. Which would be useful for achieving an effect consistently in different contexts (buildings).