Some things that don't ban guns that are non-starters for a lot of the so-called "responsible" gun owning populace:
-- Requirements of liability insurance for any gun owner.
-- License requirements for gun owners, which include regular testing and renewals.
-- Liability in the event a weapon is used in a crime, even if you're not the one committing the crime.
-- Restrictions on magazine size and capacity that do not restrict hunting and other outdoor uses.
-- Background checks for all purchases, including private party and gun show purchases.
-- Mandatory waiting periods
-- Legal authority to sue gun manufacturers for their role in mass shootings.
None of these are "no guns." But those who cling to their weapons so strongly and opposed to any additional regulations whatsoever (ahem...NRA...ahem) that the day is coming the starting negotiating point won't be "limits around gun purchases and use" to "no guns."
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When there is a shooting by a police officer, the officer is considered to be the main problem rather than the firearm.
When there is a shooting by a civilian, the firearm is considered to be the main problem rather than the individual.
I don't understand why they're viewed differently.
Eat one live toad first thing in the morning and nothing worse will happen to you all day.
Because people accept that the Police are armed and may need to use their weapons as a last resort. They also have training in how to use firearms and presumably also means and methods of diffusing situations without resorting to the use of firearms. Hence when Police shoot first and ask questions later, more so if there is the perception of a racial issue involved, then people question policing in general. There's your difference.
Choke, a police officer never walked into a school and mowed down 20 first graders. If that happens, I'll be sure to ask why they had access to such a weapon.
The picture on the left shows the damage caused by a military-style rifle, as favored by the shooters in Parkland, Newtown, Aurora, Orlando, Las Vegas (et al), and on the right is damage caused by a handgun like most police officers carry.
That's just one way to view this differently.
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This binary presentation is *exactly* the sort of misrepresentation the Russian troll farms and certain special interests would have us take literally.
The reality is that with limited exception, most states and many districts are some shade of purple.
Even the "rural vs. urban" idea isn't safe without qualification (Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Colorado, Nevada, Utah...) - these are generally pro-gun "blue" states or states with a meaningful blue population that's pro gun... Consider Bernie Sanders' various nuanced positions on gun control during the election, for example.
The polarized presentation in the Daily Kos map is an artifact of simplified presentation. Nothing more.
It might reflect the final results of the election, in summary - but it does not accurately capture the actual vote ratio at the district or state level.
Just look at Texas - famous red state, right? But there's a lot of blue in the south... This apparent contradiction applies to most of the country, including urban and rural areas.
More about the myth of Red and Blue states:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/...hows-its-myth/
This is the perfect response to "We are talking about a trapped unarmed group. I could do the same amount of carnage with old cap and ball black powder revolvers"
I'm sure that Jefferson, Madison, et al, would loan a pistol to anyone who wants to square off in gentlemen's duel with the Vegas shooter and his weapon of choice - each at capacity.
Also, the cop with the paper clip shooter was doing a helluva job.
If one were to wave a magic wand, and all American conservatives moved to, say Canada, and only Liberals occupied the United States, we’d still be exactly where we are concerning gun control.
The multi-millions of Liberals who own guns and believe in the 2nd amendment would take the conservatives place, the now Liberally supported NRA would support the Democratic elected officials and not much would change.
92% of registered gun owners are not NRA members. How many of those consider themselves Liberal?
Gun control is for everybody. I wish we’d stop blaming one political side or the other.
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No, not to anyone who knows anything about Texas. At least ten of our fifty states are "redder" than Texas, and every single city of any size at all is solid blue here. From an electoral college standpoint Texas went red in 1980 when Reagan ran unopposed, and was red again in 1984 when Reagan ran unopposed. Ross Perot caused GHWB quite a bit of heartache here. W carried Texas twice due to has having done a superlative job as Governor* here, and still did relatively poorly in the cities. Houston was the first major city in the U.S. to have an openly same-sex mayor. She won in a landslide three times, and only term limits kept her out for a fourth. Major Democratic figures have their roots in San Antonio, El Paso, Dallas, Houston, and the Rio Grande Valley.
To your point, those maps are misleading. Texas was blue until 1980, and is well on its way to being blue again. Given that CA and NY are in no danger of flipping, once TX goes blue the presidential elections will be decided in the Democrat primaries.
If I sound like I'm troubled by that, I am. The best thing for the Dems is a strong GOP, and the best thing for the GOP is a strong party of Democrats. Unipolar environments are a disaster.
* You may think I'm kidding, but I'm not. He was a great Governor. I'm not implying anything else.
That movie is on Amazon Prime. No. I didn't watch it.
On a related note to the whole gun control thing: Let's say we figure out what cars are used by drunk drivers and ban those. that should end the drunk driving pproblem ...but that's not even the problem! Using the 'assault weapon' analogy: we know the scary-looking fast cars are used in a small proportion of drunk driving incidents, so let's ban those. They're black. They're scary. ...and they're fast! Must be the most effective thing we can do to curb drunk driving.
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If you've got a CCW, you've got the training too.
I know my buddy the former town cop fired his pistol 2x year to qualify with it. That's not 'training.' I don't remember ever hearing about him doing any kind of 'tactical' training after the academy. As evidenced by the SF cops firing 65x and not hitting anything, even the cops need constant refreshing in a tactical situation.
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The training a CCW license holder needs is not the same as the training police get (or should get) in how to deescalate a dangerous situation or how to handle a firearm in a conflict. It's mostly just training that you won't shoot yourself when taking the gun out of your pocket. You can't seriously feel that we shouldn't hold the police to a higher standard of weapon and conflict management than the general public and that, therefore, when a cop shoots someone in the back it's the same debate as when someone buys a high powered weapon legally and turns it on an innocent crowd. They're both tragic, but police carry weapons for their job and they should be used in accordance with keeping the peace and protecting the public. So when a cop shoots an unarmed suspect the cop needs to be held accountable. That's not the discussion that's happening around gun control. It's another distraction and red herring.
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