It’s telling that there’s no Impeachment thread on VS...

[bironi]

Please leave the, "I fixed it for you" somewhere in the past where it belongs.
Let's speak to one another, not over or under each other.

[Matthew Strongin]

It's worth noting that he may be making Republican congressmen his bitch, but he is alienating many conservative voters. I've talked to several life-long Republicans who feel like they don't have a party any more. Unlimited executive power and blowing up the deficit may have been the last straws, not only as they relate to the current events, but as pillars of conservatism that have now been shit all over for decades to come.

But how will they vote? I know a number of Republicans who fit your description very well...but I'm not sure they'd vote for a Democrat.

[guido]

Trump Impeachment Trial: The Senate Can Stop Pretending Now | The New Yorker

[mzilliox]

Based on recent news, it increasingly appears no more witnesses will be called and that President Trump will be acquitted.

thats how its always looked, nobody is surprised the Senate bowed down, they have been giving up power to the executive for a while now, this just makes it more official.

[jclay]

Today is likely your last chance to ring these Senators phones off the hook, particularly Lamar Alexander, in an attempt to get the Senate to hear witnesses. Lamar has decided that Trump is guilty as charged, but that coercing another government to dig dirt (real or imagined) on a political rival, for personal political gain, isn't impeachable. The Founders warned explicitly about the threat to our country of that sort of activity.

All are (202) 224-

Mitt Romney: 202 224-5251
Lisa Murkowski : 6665
Susan Collins: 2523
Martha McSally: 2235
Cory Gardner: 5941
Richard Burr: 3154
Lamar Alexander: 4944
Ben Sasse: 4224
Mike Lee: 5444

[AngryScientist]

Today is likely your last chance to ring these Senators phones off the hook, particularly Lamar Alexander, in an attempt to get the Senate to hear witnesses.

but realistically, what are more witnesses going to do?

[mzilliox]

but realistically, what are more witnesses going to do?

Nothing, this farce is over, the Senate has cast their fate, the country is forever changed for the worse. The precedent being set is shocking to me.
I sent out 25 letters or so, not one reply. they dont read them or care.

My state wont vote for trump, so whats left?

[AngryScientist]

Nothing, this farce is over, the Senate has cast their fate, the country is forever changed for the worse. The precedent being set is shocking to me.
I sent out 25 letters or so, not one reply. they dont read them or care.

My state wont vote for trump, so whats left?

exactly right.

the defense already went from "he didnt do it" to "he did it, but it wasnt that bad" to finally "yea, he did it, and it's bad, but not bad enough to remove him"

one has to wonder if there is ANY limit to what he could do where we would take seriously the concept of checks and balances? because one thing is for sure - we are not there right now.

[davids]

Nothing, this farce is over, the Senate has cast their fate, the country is forever changed for the worse. The precedent being set is shocking to me.
I sent out 25 letters or so, not one reply. they dont read them or care.

My state wont vote for trump, so whats left?

They do tally them, and they do care. But only for the citizens who can vote for or against them.

[theflashunc]

All the more disappointing with Alexander is 1) He's retiring, and 2) His political mentor was Howard Baker, the Tennessee Republican Senator who had enough courage to seek the facts of the case when the Nixon impeachment was going on.

Seems Lamar and his plaid shirts didn't learn the right lessons from Howard.

[jclay]

It's not over until it's over. It's not over until YOU give up. Don't. The majority of voters want to hear Bolton/witnesses. I've been getting nothing but line busy tones when calling the phone numbers I listed above so I sent an email to each. It's quick and easy if you know one tidbit: In the following URL for Marco Rubio, replace "rubio" with the last name of each senator you wish to contact and you will be taken to their website. You can then find the contact tab.

U.S. Senator for Florida, Marco Rubio

I was able to replace each last name from each subsequent URL that I landed on for contact info, without stripping any other elements off, and land at the next person's site. If that doesn't work just hit back to get back to the core URL, above, and type in the next last name. This is my message:

It is unconscionable that you would take the position that Trump's behavior has not been proven and/or was unimpeachable and/or that Bolton's testimony isn't required. Trump knew EXACTLY what he was doing and the notion that he thought it was in the national interest is moronic; and you know it. DEMAND WITNESSES. All of you who fail to do so will go down as pariahs in the history books; it will be very well deserved and it will not be hyperbole to consider you as a traitor to the ideals espoused by this country.

It took me all of 15 minutes to send emails to each of the Senators on the list. So, get off your backside and try to make a difference.

[mzilliox]

the days of learning and lessons and courage are over, we are now in the money rules phase of governing, i expect both sides to get dirtier and dirtier now. why wouldnt they? we seem to love being entertained by dirty politics..as evidenced by those who relish in the "win" instead of the outcome. we are treating our governance like another reality tv show, perhaps that is exactly what this country deserves? more bickering, more lying, more antagonism, more money, less decency, less humanity. Welcome to the next phase, we are here.

[AngryScientist]

It is unconscionable that you would take the position that Trump's behavior has not been proven and/or was unimpeachable and/or that Bolton's testimony isn't required. Trump knew EXACTLY what he was doing and the notion that he thought it was in the national interest is moronic; and you know it. DEMAND WITNESSES. All of you who fail to do so will go down as pariahs in the history books; it will be very well deserved and it will not be hyperbole to consider you as a traitor to the ideals espoused by this country.

who is this directed at?

[jclay]

who is this directed at?

Each Senator on the list that I posted...and anyone else who's misguided enough to think that Trump's behavior is OK.

[AngryScientist]

Each Senator on the list that I posted...and anyone else who's misguided enough to think that Trump's behavior is OK.

10-4. I agree.

[bcm119]

But how will they vote? I know a number of Republicans who fit your description very well...but I'm not sure they'd vote for a Democrat.

Pure speculation, but I suspect many won't vote at all. I know a couple who've said they would vote for a moderate dem, if it was Mayor Pete or maybe Klobuchar, but if it's Bernie or Warren they will not vote.

[jclay]

Pure speculation, but I suspect many won't vote at all. I know a couple who've said they would vote for a moderate dem, if it was Mayor Pete or maybe Klobuchar, but if it's Bernie or Warren they will not vote.

Not voting is voting. And it's stupid.

In any race one candidate is always better than the other; better of course being in the eyes of the beholder. Its an intellectually lazy cop-out to fail to do the work to figure out who and vote accordingly.

[Blue Jays]

Once this impeachment chapter is concluded later today, it is only fair that people rally behind Senator Elizabeth Warren moving forward.

[Bob Ross]

Once this impeachment chapter is concluded later today, it is only fair that people rally behind Senator Elizabeth Warren moving forward.

Once this impeachment chapter is concluded why would anybody think doing what's "fair" has merit anymore?

[mzilliox]

and what about Warren is more fair than any other?