I like this picture of Tom.
I like this picture of Tom.
"It's only eight tubes welded together." - Dario Pegoretti
well i dunno really, and dunno if it matters.
from my vantage point, these units are/were made and designed and perfected for trials, and long distance events,
and all things in between. so, yeah - i guess no matter how you slice it, these are competition vehicles first and then
curiosities for cyclists with a somewhat historical and nostalgic bent second.
it's been shown that time has passed these designs by and they are no longer raced at the front of any fields that we
know of. and, while is a resurgence in the french trials thang, i have no idea where the standards discussed (low trail,
planing, perfectly symmetrical fenders) fit into any value system.
that kinda sorta leaves commuters and, to an extent, fetishists atmo.
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Sorry if this has been posted already on this thread, it's just too damn long to sift through. Ian makes some good points.
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Coppi bike:
To jerk's point, notice how low the brake levers are,
and the drops were the primary hand position.
You gotitmo.
Especially the competiton aspect. There's a lot modern stuff at long events.
But some are there to do the distance. Maybe there's some misguided nostalgia or looking for some magic comfort.
I've seen seasoned riders just end up being minimalist. Go light. Rains you get wet. Cold you get cold.
But not as much as you used to because everyhting has changed inculding the clothes.
I have some differences with some of Jan's ideas.
Rather ride than argue/debate.
Coppi is lost in the 40's man. Someone should send him a bike with naughty wordnaughty wordnaughty wordnaughty wordnaughty wordnaughty wordnaughty words.
-Eric
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But you can't extrapolate that, there is a huge difference - The drops are much closer to the rider than the hoods
if you place them at the same level, there isn't enough forward reach (just like in Jan's example)
Craig has this right, Modern components dictate an optimal set of fit points, and the Peg is just wrong.
going back to the review bike setup, fausto's drops were down near the fork crown where they should be. put modern shallow drop bars there, on a -6 stem, and you just lost a ton of head tube on that bike. the tops of the bars would be just above the hoods because the bars might be rotated up slightly cause2010 fausto is using ergopower. as a result, you'd have more exposed seatpost.
put those contact points on a modern frame, and it would probably look like Garzelli's bike (ain't he about five ten? eh. it would look like some five ten slender stage racers bike). maybe fausto would have a bit more seat height (better roads, and maybe more leg extension for modern riders).
it wouldn't look like that messed up review bike
Wish you guys would get this worked up over the consistently lame and uncritical bike reviews in Bicycling and so many other bike mags, month after month, year after year.
Over time, perhaps the refiner's fire of your righteous and snarky indignation would improve the breed.
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