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    Quote Originally Posted by guido View Post
    What Mike Pence’s WSJ Covid-19 coronavirus op-ed got wrong - Vox

    "The White House is pushing a narrative that renewed concerns over the coronavirus’s spread are merely a media concoction — a worrying strategy in light of the recent spike in cases in some parts of the United States.

    What’s actually happening in the United States is much more complicated, and new research on the recent spike in Tennessee reveals some subtle ways in which the Covid-19 pandemic may be evolving.
    Why the White House’s coronavirus narrative is wrong

    The White House’s view is best represented by Vice President Mike Pence’s Wall Street Journal op-ed on Tuesday: “There Isn’t a Coronavirus ‘Second Wave.’”

    The vice president ticks through various data points — increased testing numbers, low positive test rates in many states, a steady plateau in new cases nationally, and a decline in deaths — to make his case.

    For starters, Pence’s choice of frame is a misnomer. The experts I’ve spoken with aren’t talking about a second wave at all.

    “We are still in the first wave; we’re not yet seeing the second wave,” David Celentano, who chairs the epidemiology department at Johns Hopkins, told me last week.

    Pence’s preference for focusing on the national numbers obscures the very basic fact that America is not experiencing one Covid-19 outbreak but many. The virus is hitting different places at different times and spreads differently depending on a variety of local factors.

    Part of the reason for the national plateau in cases is a decline in New York City and the surrounding area, which were hit hardest by the coronavirus at first. But other places, spared in the early weeks of the pandemic, have now seen their first significant surge.

    The states with new Covid-19 spikes — Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Texas, etc. — were able to lock down and stave off the coronavirus for a while because it hadn’t saturated their communities in the way it had New York and other early epicenters where the virus first landed in the United States. Social distancing prevented their outbreak from growing exponentially.

    But now those states are seeing problematic trends, trends that Pence conveniently ignores in his op-ed: Hospitalizations are increasing and the rate at which Covid-19 tests are coming back positive is on the rise. Both suggest that the increase in cases is not simply the result of more testing, as Pence would clearly prefer Americans to believe, but also more spread within the community.

    In other venues, Pence has outright falsely claimed a decline in cases when the opposite is true. As CNN documented, Pence said at a White House event that Oklahoma’s cases are falling but that’s wrong; new cases are up 123 percent over the last two weeks and the positive test rate has more than doubled over the same period. Local health officials say they wish the Trump campaign would postpone a planned rally in Tulsa because of the new spike.

    Pence is right that, mercifully, daily coronavirus deaths have declined nationwide (to date, at least 117,000 Americans have died from Covid-19, though that is likely an undercount). But deaths lag behind all of the other pandemic indicators; they are the last place where any new spread would show up in the numbers.

    First, people test positive and get counted as a new case. Next, those who develop severe symptoms are hospitalized and added to those figures. Last, some of the people who end up in hospital will die. It’s only at the end of the disease’s course, which can take several weeks to reach, when new trends in the pandemic are reflected in death data.

    There is one other way in which Pence’s spin is troublingly Pollyanna-ish. He portrays the plateau in national cases as reason for celebration. But as Max Roser with the University of Oxford pointed out on Twitter, the US has not suppressed the virus to nearly the degree that Europe collectively has. (And don’t blame more testing; the US continues to see a higher positive test rate than many European countries.)"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Ross View Post
    Wait, didn't we just do this like, 6 months ago maybe, in this very same thread?!?! And then the consensus was: tRump is too much of a narcissist to turn down an opportunity to appear on TV. His entire support team [sic] could be saying "Mr. Pussydent, you have nothing to gain! Just sit back and cruise to the polls, you're the incumbent, YOU DON'T HAVE TO APPEAR IN A DEBATE!" and he'd be like "ooh, public appearance? sign me up!"

    I got $10 sez he shows up for any/all debates.
    You’re on. With this “more debates” gambit, they’re setting the stage for not debating because of “biased rules and moderators” yada yada yada.

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    Trump admits he ordered a slow down in testing so the numbers didn't look so bad.

    He doesn't seem to realise this just reinforces his image as the Narcissist in Chief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Kelly View Post
    Trump admits he ordered a slow down in testing so the numbers didn't look so bad.

    He doesn't seem to realise this just reinforces his image as the Narcissist in Chief.
    There is a very smart book of poetry by Tony Hoagland titled _What Narcissism Means to Me_.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ides1056 View Post
    Mike Pence can write? Who knew?
    How do you think he negotiated the dowry for Mother?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Kelly View Post
    Trump admits he ordered a slow down in testing so the numbers didn't look so bad.

    He doesn't seem to realise this just reinforces his image as the Narcissist in Chief.
    In related news, the EPA will fight climate change by taking away thermometers from scientists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Kelly View Post
    Trump admits he ordered a slow down in testing so the numbers didn't look so bad.

    He doesn't seem to realise this just reinforces his image as the Narcissist in Chief.
    He really is a hopeless case.

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    A little sobering...

    http://https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/worlds-largest-economy-in-free-fall,14019#.Xu_bDsIelFU.twitter

    I get that the US$ is the world’s reserve currency, but is there anything in there that makes you think it will stay that way?

    But apparently facts don’t matter anyway...

    http://https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=NzDhm808oU4
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colinmclelland View Post
    A little sobering...

    http://https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/worlds-largest-economy-in-free-fall,14019#.Xu_bDsIelFU.twitter

    I get that the US$ is the world’s reserve currency, but is there anything in there that makes you think it will stay that way?

    But apparently facts don’t matter anyway...

    http://https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=NzDhm808oU4
    More than a little sobering... Thanks for posting this!
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    Cases are going up in the U.S. because we are testing far more than any other country, and ever expanding. With smaller testing we would show fewer cases!

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    How to ionizization.
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    Jimmy Baker would be proud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sbti View Post
    How to ionizization.
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    Jimmy Baker would be proud.
    Just dump infected people in the church!
    WHAM problem solved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sbti View Post
    Cases are going up in the U.S. because we are testing far more than any other country, and ever expanding. With smaller testing we would show fewer cases!
    Cases are going up because more people have the virus. Large swaths of the country have been ignoring social distancing as they re-opened. Some take it as a political talisman to not wear a mask. The states seeing the fastest increases are quite unprepared for what is just now hitting them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by guido View Post
    Cases are going up because more people have the virus. Large swaths of the country have been ignoring social distancing as they re-opened. Some take it as a political talisman to not wear a mask. The states seeing the fastest increases are quite unprepared for what is just now hitting them.
    Yes, just to be clear, I should have put that in quotes, since it's a Twit from SCROTUS this morning. He and his lackeys just won't give that line up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sbti View Post
    Yes, just to be clear, I should have put that in quotes, since it's a Twit from SCROTUS this morning. He and his lackeys just won't give that line up.
    That's a relief! I thought you had bought in... ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colinmclelland View Post
    A little sobering...

    http://https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/worlds-largest-economy-in-free-fall,14019#.Xu_bDsIelFU.twitter

    I get that the US$ is the world’s reserve currency, but is there anything in there that makes you think it will stay that way?
    And even the first wave of reality hasn't hit yet. Here's my favorite recent description of our moment:

    the Federal Reserve and the U.S. government have pumped so much money into the economy that it is kicking like a pair of severed frogs legs in a biology experiment. While the jolts of currents are injected into the dead flesh it appears to the watchers that the organism is alive, which it is to a very limited extent, but we all know that the whole creature itself is dead. The moment the current goes off the lifelike behavior ends.
    August 1st seems like it might be a moment the frog stops twitching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caleb View Post
    And even the first wave of reality hasn't hit yet. Here's my favorite recent description of our moment:



    August 1st seems like it might be a moment the frog stops twitching.
    FRB: H.4.1 Release-- Factors Affecting Reserve Balances -- Thursday, June 18, 2020

    The internals of the FED Balance sheet explain a lot and to it's credit, the FED provides more transparency than most central banks. (The data is released every Thursday)

    The FED has not taken it's foot of the gas at all. The decline the columnist in the Forbes pieces sites is because of the decline in repurchase agreements and swap lines with foreign central banks. The swap lines for foreign central banks were provided because of a surge in demand for USD. That demand is waning, and the swap lines are being unwound. It explains some of the recent weakness in the USD.

    This ties in with Colin's question about the USD as reserve currency. A weak dollar which introduces inflation into the US is one possible road to either ruin or salvation. A little is good , a lot is bad. But a weak dollar is a real problem for the Japanese, Chinese and Europeans.

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    NYC is warning that it will have to lay off 22,000 workers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j44ke View Post
    NYC is warning that it will have to lay off 22,000 workers.
    And the hizzoner has announced a task force headed by his wife to look into it.... we will be fine.... I'm sure.....

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    Mississippi:

    Dr. Dobbs: If everybody chooses to break the law, it's almost unenforceable. It's really a population issue. This isn't something that's unique to Mississippi: understand that people across the nation are tired of coronavirus, but just because you're tired of something doesn't mean it's gone. And we are gonna pay for it. We're paying for it now. And it's just going to continue to get worse.

    ...

    JFP: Can you be a little more explicit when you say some degree of really bad? What should Mississippi start preparing for?

    #Dr . Dobbs: Prepare for not being able to get into the hospital if you have a car wreck, (to) have a heart attack and there not be a ventilator to put you on.

    #JFP : Dr. Dobbs, I'm going to report that you are saying 'prepare this fall for the hospital system to be overwhelmed.'

    #Dr . Dobbs: Absolutely.


    State Health Officer Warns in Interview: Prepare For Overwhelmed Hospitals by Fall | Jackson Free Press | Jackson, MS
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