Climate Strike September 20

[Walter Sobchak]

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Remarkable how the artists retained to produce that sign knew how to spell "extinction" yet "abinals" was too tough.
Wherever that image was obtained, my sense is some adults were involved along the way...a little too perfectly cute.

Eight year olds, dude.

This was funny: I Am Better Than Your Kids - Page 1

You are not funny.

[TTX1]

I will happily be going to work just like any other day.
I am not influenced by arrogant loudmouthed teenagers.

The substance of this thread is about climate change, not delivery style.

If you’re against hot air (double entendre intended) you might want to reboot your approach.

There’s no more room for equivocation or whataboutism in our national discourse.

It’s a dead end strategy, and it must be called out.

This is not a personal attack, rather it’s an invitation to be a part of a solution.

[monadnocky]

I took the day off, because at this time I have the luxury of having Fridays off.

Tough weekend - between thinking about this stuff, and reviewing the recent Cornell ornithology lab study strongly suggesting that worldwide bird populations are crashing (this in addition to worldwide insect mass crashing and burning, as well as the near elimination of all amphibian species, in addition to.... in addition to...) - seems we are approaching (or at) a tipping point that will be near-impossible to backtrack.

And yet I still see editorials about how global climate catastrophe has its benefits! Shipping lanes in the arctic! Cheaper to get goods from China to the East Coast!

Reviewing some existential psychotherapy literature right now:

"People may imagine that their rescuer to be human or divine, but the belief is in someone who is watching over them in an indifferent world. To keep the specter of destruction and death at bay, people may unconsciously create a belief in a personal omnipotent savior who eternally guards and protects their welfare and who may let them get to the edge of the abyss but will always bring them back..."

Fitting.

[TTX1]

Cognitive Dissonance:

[ides1056]

I read this a few years back: Meat, a Benign Extravagence, by Simon Fairlie. What follows is a review.

What Is Sustainable: Meat — A Benign Extravagance

[mzilliox]

This child's brash pomposity increases daily. She is a kid who happens to be strident for her cause.
She would be of far better help by imploring China and India to practice better conservation techniques.
She advised (on video) she would not meet with the President of the United States. Now that is arrogant.

you are joking, and i am laughing. right? dude, so who is out there that you can get behind? whos got ideas you support? what ideas do you support? any? do you even see a problem with the way society behaves in relationship to the environment? do you just enjoy stirring things?

this kid is legit, and shes right. i cant even imagine a situation where getting angry with a person trying to help save humanity is a thing. shes sharing a real fear, one that her generation shares, and you think this pompous. FFS, im at a loss.

[mzilliox]

It doesn't matter whether you believe in climate change or not. We are taught to leave things better than we find them. The same applies to the planet we call home. The strike should be seen as a gentle reminder to us all to take a moment to reflect and think about what you can do to leave Earth in better shape for the next generations to come.

Once again, doing the right thing is never bad, catastrophe or not. its those shouting selfishly that confuse me. what is to be gained by willful ignorance? a bit of cash in the short term? is that what its come to with humanity?

[Corso]

When adults put kids out in the public eye, are the kids open for criticism? It's a strange type of "shield" often used by politicians...

Let's not kid ourselves - adults support, allow, transport and teach the children all about this event. And yet the media has reported this was "organized by children"...

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against this world wide protest and the awareness it has produced, but don't sell it as something it's not.

How much convincing does it take to have a kid skip school? Not much.

I would have liked to see all the kids who have cell phones have them locked away for a weekend. Sacrifice something to show you mean it.

Besides the natural gas & petroleum used to make plastics in phones, not to mention the manufacturing and transportation methods to get said phone in the little hands, the devices in total don't help the climate situation, do they?

Too hard? Remember folks, most of us solonistas grew up without them, and we survived.

Just a thought.

[marley]

Focusing on phones and how giving them up would make a real sacrifice is not a thought it's just old man rambling*

*myself included

Blue Jays troll is so Fox News it is actually comical as is your half ass response/excuse/reasoning

[Blue Jays]

"...dude..."

Incorrect.

"...You are not funny..."

Welcome to VSalon.

"...i cant even imagine a situation where getting angry with a person trying to help save humanity is a thing..."

I am not angry with the callow and misguided Greta Thunberg. I help humanity daily.

"...Blue Jays troll is so Fox News it is actually comical as is your half ass response/excuse/reasoning..."

That is not nice to say about a fellow VSalonista. We are engaging in the free and open exchange of ideas.

[Corso]

Focusing on phones and how giving them up would make a real sacrifice is not a thought it's just old man rambling*

*myself included

Blue Jays troll is so Fox News it is actually comical as is your half ass response/excuse/reasoning

No, this is an old man rambling: The racing yacht Greta sailed on is made up of 3 tons of carbon fiber plus resin, etc.
A wooden vessel would have been "greener". I believe they are still made.

[vertical_doug]

Why I broke the law for climate change

This is a article by Farhana Yamin who has worked for 3 decades with the UN on climate change as a lawyer. After the 2018 1.5 IPCC Climate Change report came out she decided enough with talk, and decided to get arrested by gluing herself to the payment outside Royal Dutch Shell building with the Extinction Rebellion. It's an interesting read.

I wonder at what price for carbon credits can you actually buy a forest tract in the Amazon preventing it was being razed and sell the carbon credits where it will be as profitable as a soybean or palm oil plantation?

[ides1056]

"That is not nice to say about a fellow VSalonista. We are engaging in the free and open exchange of ideas."

I am all for that. We are on a group ride, chatting away. This is not a race.

I may disagree with Blue Jays on some points, but we are in this together.

And I am drafting him in the pace line.

[marley]

I have pulled off the back and ducked into the woods for a safety break

[mzilliox]

"arrogant, loudmouthed, callow, misguided," describing 16yr old girl making a bigger effort than 99.9 percent of humans.

but be nice to birds

[Blue Jays]

"...I am all for that. We are on a group ride, chatting away. This is not a race.
I may disagree with Blue Jays on some points, but we are in this together..."

Thank you, ides1056. That is gracious, courteous, and truly in the spirit of a salon.
We can occasionally disagree among friends and continue to enjoy a pleasant ride.

[guido]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/clima...r-forgive-you/

[King Of Dirk]

When adults put kids out in the public eye, are the kids open for criticism? It's a strange type of "shield" often used by politicians...

The same adults who ran up $23,000,000,000,000 in debt are worried about the world they'll leave their children.

[thollandpe]

The same adults who ran up $23,000,000,000,000 in debt are worried about the world they'll leave their children.

Currency is an abstract, human-made concept. Nature, and the laws of physics, are not.

You can negotiate with the banks, you cannot negotiate with the climate.

[King Of Dirk]

Currency is an abstract, human-made concept.

That's what I keep telling my mortgage lender.