Re: What I've Noticed -
That's the point. Learn the craft from a production/repetition mode before you hang out a shingle. If you can't, then don't. Half a dozen frames doesn't make a framebuilder.
Originally Posted by
Peter Polack
But how much "more" work is enough? Who do they have from the framebuilding establishment to mentor or critique them? And I imagine there are so few production framebuilding related jobs out there, certainly without moving to a certain locale, that it would be near impossible to find one.
The newbies won't know their game is not ready for prime time unless they have teachers to grade the test. While I fully understand and agree with your sentiments Richard, I don't see how those framebuilders new to the business will be able to refine their skills without direct support from industry veterans or from just pumping out frames and learning from their mistakes-that's how a lot of successful craftspeople learned their chops. Admittedly, the second path makes the customer the guinea pig which is sort of unfair to the customer but there's a measure of buyer beware in this and I don't expect most customers to be knowledgeable in how frames are made; they want what they see, not the sausage being made.
In general, could you say what you find unacceptable in some of the building methods you see from these new builders? Or would you be criticizing methods that some successful brands already use?
Also, can anyone send me a PM link to the video Richard might have seen?
Bill Fernance
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