Should be noted that she was his fiance when this happened and STILL married him.
I'm not sure what your point is here.
Anyone who pays attention to the dynamics of abusive relationships knows that the victim can be so thoroughly demoralized/intimidated/broken that s/he will cling to the abuser for any shreds of approval available. Or with the hope that the abuser will stop, if the victim can only stick it out.
There are reasons/rationalizations so many beaten spouses stay with their abusers, fucked up as those reasons may be. That doesn't make them responsible.
Better late than never. The victim here is his wife and she's victimized many times over. I've known a person who keeps getting into these relationships (not this bad, but emotionally and verbally abusive) and I can never figure it out. She's a smart person who falls for guys who are pathetic and manipulative dicks.
The Ravens and the NFL dropped the ball (no pun intended because this is not a funny situation) but at least they took immediate and decisive action this time. Let it be a lesson in the NFL for others who have anger issues. Better late than never.
I'll bet he never carries a football professionally again. I hope his wife gets the help she needs. For every incident like this that comes to light there are thousands every day across the world that never come out. If there's any good to come from a situation like this it's that it finally gets some attention and if that helps even a few people it's a good thing.
Better late than never. The victim here is his wife and she's victimized many times over. I've known a person who keeps getting into these relationships (not this bad, but emotionally and verbally abusive) and I can never figure it out. She's a smart person who falls for guys who are pathetic and manipulative dicks.
The Ravens and the NFL dropped the ball (no pun intended because this is not a funny situation) but at least they took immediate and decisive action this time. Let it be a lesson in the NFL for others who have anger issues. Better late than never.
I'll bet he never carries a football professionally again. I hope his wife gets the help she needs. For every incident like this that comes to light there are thousands every day across the world that never come out. If there's any good to come from a situation like this it's that it finally gets some attention and if that helps even a few people it's a good thing.
Don't know about that. There are several players who've killed people that are now able to play (Stallworth for one).
RR was thrown to placate the mob. I see all this media coverage about justice, but I do not see justice here- certainly an indefinite suspension with the NFL getting them the help they need. Afterwards, a rehabilitated RR can think about returning to the league while doing public service announcements. This looks more like they are both thrown out on the street.
If the prosecutor wants to file charges, he can face a trial by jury and take his medicine there. This really seems like mob mentatility.
I don't disagree with the above. That's how it happens. The NFL failed to see the field had changed when they originally acted. RR was the current example. Too bad it didn't happen many years ago. There is so much wrong in amateur and professional sports. Where to start?
RR was thrown to placate the mob. I see all this media coverage about justice, but I do not see justice here- certainly an indefinite suspension with the NFL getting them the help they need. Afterwards, a rehabilitated RR can think about returning to the league while doing public service announcements. This looks more like they are both thrown out on the street.
If the prosecutor wants to file charges, he can face a trial by jury and take his medicine there. This really seems like mob mentatility.
If I understand you correctly, you're saying this was an inappropriate under-reaction, followed by an inappropriate over-reaction on the part of the NFL?
I'm with you on the first part. But there's no right to be employed by the NFL. There are things you can do that should result in your firing. Punching out your girlfriend should be on that list, period. The NFL's and the Rays' behavior have been infuriating.
I've seen too many abusers get the benefit of the doubt because of who they are/what they do. See Jared Remy here in Boston if you need another nauseating example.
And here's where spousal abuse can lead: In 2011, 1,707 US women were murdered by a man. 1,509 of these women knew their killer. 926 were married to him.
The NFL and Ravens fucked Ray Rice pretty good. Had either of them given him an appropriate suspension in the first place, no one would care about this right now. He would serve his 6 games or one season and everyone would forget about it. Just like everyone forgets about all the other drunks, killers, and abusers in the NFL that return to play after suspensions. The short suspension and the nauseating attempts by the ravens pr department made this a hot issue. The video and resulting kerfuffle will make this story stick like monkey shit. It's all going to make it much harder for Rice to play again, but I suspect he just might (I hope he falls down a hole somewhere and is never found).
If I understand you correctly, you're saying this was an inappropriate under-reaction, followed by an inappropriate over-reaction on the part of the NFL?
I'm with you on the first part. But there's no right to be employed by the NFL. There are things you can do that should result in your firing. Punching out your girlfriend should be on that list, period. The NFL's and the Rays' behavior have been infuriating.
I've seen too many abusers get the benefit of the doubt because of who they are/what they do. See Jared Remy here in Boston if you need another nauseating example.
And here's where spousal abuse can lead: In 2011, 1,707 US women were murdered by a man. 1,509 of these women knew their killer. 926 were married to him.
I am well aware of the statistics. And the short answer is yes. I see the NFL delivering punishment, but I don't see anyone trying to help the victim.
This is the world work in and a cause I am quite passionate about. For the most part, I visit this forum to learn about and appreciate the technical and aesthetic world of bicycles, which for me are a tremendous outlet for stress and an escape from the demands and frustrations of my professional life advocating on behalf of victims of domestic violence and other crimes. I usually steer clear of these non-bicycle current event threads, but given the amount of time and thought I have invested in this issue, I thought I should chime in...
Originally Posted by burgess1108
Should be noted that she was his fiance when this happened and STILL married him. [...]
This is a point that has been made repeatedly in many media outlets. "Why didn't she leave?" is one of the most common questions that seems to arise in any domestic violence situation. Leaving is not always the safest option, or an option at all. Statistically, the most dangerous time for a victim, in terms of lethality, is the period of time immediately after they attempt to flee an abuser. Leaving is not a simple matter. The "#WhyIStayed" hashtag on twitter provides a look into the complex and varied realities of women (and men) in these situations. Please have a look if you are interested in hearing from survivors.
There is so much more I could say about this... If you are interested in learning more, or know anyone who might need assistance, the National Domestic Violence Hotline is a good place to start:
1-800-799-SAFE (7233)
I am well aware of the statistics. And the short answer is yes. I see the NFL delivering punishment, but I don't see anyone trying to help the victim.
Gotcha. And she continues to be victimized in the most public ways. The fact that she lashed out at the media today breaks my heart. It's so wrong-headed, but so understandable.
her family lost its income. Not hard to understand her anger. She has now been victimized three times by this incident, the punch, the voyeuristic display of her being punched out over and over by the media, and now by losing her income. Financial distress does not help relationships like this.
Meanwhile, Adrian Peterson has been arrested and charged with felony child endangerment. The children in domestic violence cases seem to get less press and that is tragic. I wonder if Keith Olbermann (or anyone else for that matter) will rage on about this.
The NFL seems to have a serious issue on their hands. There are few bigger football fans than yours truly but these ugly incidents are trying, even to a guy like myself. Winning games seems trivial in light of these stories that just keep on coming, and the Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson stories are hardly unique. They just get headlines because they're huge stars.
The Peterson case makes me sick (as do the other cases).
i liked football.
it really is the christians and the lions though.
between the head injuries ( and all the other injuries ) and the mafia nfl as a non profit playing in tax subsidized stadiums...
it really is an outrage.
im done watching it.
..... and the Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson stories are hardly unique. They just get headlines because they're huge stars...
Your post eximplifies the reason I Fn hate the media!
The NFL doesn't have a serious problem. In the big picture of atrocities Ray and AD don't even scratch the surface. However they are the stories that we read.
I'm willing to bet that tonight, in a stone's throw of many of us, there will be woman and children that suffer much worse. Police will be called, reports will be filed but since we don't already know their names the media (and us) don't give a rat ass. They feed us stories about Ray and AD, we pontificate about how much better we are than them and then we sleep like babies.
I'm not sure why I blame this on the media other than I think it is disgusting to make a living off other people's drama.
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