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    Quote Originally Posted by j44ke View Post
    I've been reading some brain science essays (mostly in the New York Review of Books but also things my father sends me occasionally from Science) that talk about the relationship between the brain and religion. That religion is not merely a product of our imaginations but the way the brain actually works. The whole concept of agency, that something has animus contained within it, a soul or spirit or motivating force, may be an expression of our anticipatory brain. Humans develop an understanding that when something disappears from view that it isn't gone. A lot of baby games are based on this early blind-spot in cognition and its development. This brain development is very important to humans because we are so frickin' slow, relative to the animals (i.e. protein) that we really love to eat. The anticipatory brain allowed our ancestors to watch a gazelle run through a thicket, and even though they couldn't see it, they could anticipate where it would come out and triangulate into position for the short-range, high probability kill, rather than deciding it was gone when it disappeared and missing out on a nice meal. That anticipatory brain function is so intense, however, that it can inject animus into inanimate objects or agency into things that act on behavioral impulse. Stones that take on spiritual meaning, dogs who talk to us and display anthropomorphic behavior, and events which have a deeper meaning beyond their just-the-facts narratives. If you've ever seen a bird or animal go into a small bush and then can't find it even though the bush is small enough you can see all around it and be sure it didn't escape, your brain really has a hard time allowing you to believe the bird or whatever is indeed gone. Replace the bush with grandma and the bird with life-force and add in this tenaciously powerful anticipatory brain, and you have the basis for belief in a soul. The thing that is grandma that was in this body cannot possibly be gone because I didn't see it leave. And because that sense of agency in other things is so basic to our survival, the things that seem to threaten the validity of that sense are the most difficult to accept and the things that affirm that sense are the most profoundly affective. Science vs. Religion. Huge simplification of a very complex system that results in a variety of outcomes, but that's the gist of the study as I understand it.

    Wait, what were we talking about?
    Science, religion, soul... and shared cells. The comments are also good: https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-mothers-brain
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zimmermanbicycle View Post
    Ed Abbey was the commencement speaker at my high school graduation..
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    He taught english in Tucson......
    We just lost Bill Breed a few weeks ago here in Flag, he was one of the original people behind the discovery of Tectonic Plates.
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    For those interested, Einstein's book on the subject is a fascinating read, even for a layman like myself.

    Relativity: The Special and the General Theory: Albert Einstein: 9781891396304: Amazon.com: Books

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    Quote Originally Posted by Human Epic Jolt View Post

    if I'm not mistaken then this is basically proven false.
    all this questioning is well and good, but Schrodinger will kill you like a cat in a box. Maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EricKeller View Post
    all this questioning is well and good, but Schrodinger will kill you like a cat in a box. Maybe.
    As far as Descartes cared, there was no telling whether Schrodinger existed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve garro View Post
    Awesome.
    He was one of my "top 10 people in the world I wanted to drink beer with"
    I did get to meet Ed Abbey and Gene Shoemaker......
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    I always wanted to go for a beer with david attenborough

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolberto hipsterdor View Post
    Maybe Einstein was right and we just haven't figured out a better way to evaluate mass?
    crude sketches, are those the words you're looking for?


    i now have books to read and will toss a coin.

    books.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Human Epic Jolt View Post
    i now have books to read and will toss a coin.
    If you toss a coin enough times, statistically speaking you're going to end up reading both of them. It's science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathanrtaylor View Post
    If you toss a coin enough times, statistically speaking you're going to end up reading both of them. It's science.
    As the pure mathematician* in the room, that's not necessarily true.




    *i was reading algebraic topology before dropping out of my phd program. All this applied stuff makes me a little queasy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Human Epic Jolt View Post

    i now have books to read and will toss a coin.
    Upon further consideration, a more appropriate experiment would be to fire some photons at a surface and see if they bounce back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathanrtaylor View Post
    If you toss a coin enough times, statistically speaking you're going to end up reading both of them. It's science.
    Not if the penny has a say in it.

    God's Debris: A Thought Experiment - Scott Adams - Google Books

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathanrtaylor View Post
    If you toss a coin enough times, statistically speaking you're going to end up reading both of them. It's science.
    If you toss a coin enough times, statistically speaking you're going to end up half of each of them. It's statistics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Human Epic Jolt View Post
    crude sketches, are those the words you're looking for?


    i now have books to read and will toss a coin.

    books.jpg
    Add "Six easy pieces" "Six not so easy pieces" and "Tuva or Bust"
    I love that guy.
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    i suppose you want one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MacLaughlin View Post
    Yeah.
    I don't trust a litigious corporation seemingly intent on sinister ends to use science in a way that protects my/your/our/earth's interests or rights.
    But it's not in the most successful parasite's interests to kill their hosts, right?
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    No, but that's not what they see themselves doing. They see it as cornering the market by becoming the only entity capable of growing food.

    Successful parasites don't go into business.

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