Pegoretti Cicli

[ron l edmiston]

whata saturday ride --- next to you in steel with a steel cx richie ... now that was a "soul" ride..

thank you,

ronnie

[Roman]

Dario

Mingus or Monk?

[xeladragon]

Dario, what's your take on a properly fitted bike? Steve Hampsten, for example, fits a bike around the stem. From the Hampsten website:

A properly fitted bicycle is centered on the stem, which we think of in terms of sizes: small (100-105mm, for frames in the 50-54cm range), medium (110-120mm, for 54.5-57cm range), and large (120-130mm, for 57.5cm and up range). A bicycle built around the proper stem length – giving correct reach – will have optimal weight distribution and handling characteristics. We believe that the cure for a poorly fitting bicycle is not a longer/shorter stem but rather a well-built frame using the correct length stem.

I ask because while I love my 54 Responsorium (with a 110mm stem), I'm pretty sure I could also fit a 52 or 53 mated to a longer stem. I would still have the same saddle setback, saddle-to-bar reach and drop. Weight distribution and handling would probably differ slightly though. So, yeah, with clients who can fit more than one frame size comfortably, how do you decide which size is optimal?

Thanks!

[sharkboyrob]

Dario, what's your take on a properly fitted bike? Steve Hampsten, for example, fits a bike around the stem. From the Hampsten website:

A properly fitted bicycle is centered on the stem, which we think of in terms of sizes: small (100-105mm, for frames in the 50-54cm range), medium (110-120mm, for 54.5-57cm range), and large (120-130mm, for 57.5cm and up range). A bicycle built around the proper stem length – giving correct reach – will have optimal weight distribution and handling characteristics. We believe that the cure for a poorly fitting bicycle is not a longer/shorter stem but rather a well-built frame using the correct length stem.

I ask because while I love my 54 Responsorium (with a 110mm stem), I'm pretty sure I could also fit a 52 or 53 mated to a longer stem. I would still have the same saddle setback, saddle-to-bar reach and drop. Weight distribution and handling would probably differ slightly though. So, yeah, with clients who can fit more than one frame size comfortably, how do you decide which size is optimal?

Thanks!

That design philosophy makes me think of this:

[Shinomaster]

Mr. Pegoretti,

I absolutely love the painting on your frames. Do you ever just paint on canvas or paper to make "art" for the sake of making art? How did your paint-jobs become so painterly?

Warm regards,

Shinomaster

[Johny]

Hi Dario,

Just want to say thank you for enriching my life through your creation.

Best,

John

[Lionel]

Hi Dario,

I think you were one of the first to start using TIG. How did it come about?

Today you still braze some frames and solder most of them, what technique do you prefer?

Thanks and great work!

[Round]

Hi Dario,

Just want to say thank you for enriching my life through your creation.

Best,

John

Ciao John
many many thanks for your words
d

[Round]

Mr. Pegoretti,

I absolutely love the painting on your frames. Do you ever just paint on canvas or paper to make "art" for the sake of making art? How did your paint-jobs become so painterly?

Warm regards,

Shinomaster

Hello
Yes, I confess that when I am free I paint or drawing on paper, just for me , just for the pleasure of painting, I confess that I am ashamed a bit, I am very critical with myself and many times I do not like what I do.
The frames are very different from the paper.
I have started to change my paintscheme following my interest in the art of the end of last century, I was always interested and excited for the abstract expressionism of the 50's e 60's but also pop art, the technique of the sign, Aboriginal art, and the sign of the Japanese ideograms.
one day I thought that I could use the surface of the frame in a different way from what i had been done until then, i.e. classical schemes ... and thats it.
ciao
d

[Round]

Dario, what's your take on a properly fitted bike? Steve Hampsten, for example, fits a bike around the stem. From the Hampsten website:

A properly fitted bicycle is centered on the stem, which we think of in terms of sizes: small (100-105mm, for frames in the 50-54cm range), medium (110-120mm, for 54.5-57cm range), and large (120-130mm, for 57.5cm and up range). A bicycle built around the proper stem length – giving correct reach – will have optimal weight distribution and handling characteristics. We believe that the cure for a poorly fitting bicycle is not a longer/shorter stem but rather a well-built frame using the correct length stem.

I ask because while I love my 54 Responsorium (with a 110mm stem), I'm pretty sure I could also fit a 52 or 53 mated to a longer stem. I would still have the same saddle setback, saddle-to-bar reach and drop. Weight distribution and handling would probably differ slightly though. So, yeah, with clients who can fit more than one frame size comfortably, how do you decide which size is optimal?

Thanks!

The choice of the correct geometry for the frame is always a difficult choice, my opinion is that this is a mix between calculation , experience and feeling of the framebuilder , we must distinguish between choice of the frame geometry and bicycle fitting, in the first case the greater responsibility is by the framebuilder in the second case we need a great collaboration from who will use the bike.
I believe that if a customer chooses to buy a stock frame is more important to consider the length of the top tube and not the lenght of the seat tube ..
We must also say that sometimes we are forced to compromise to design the correct geometry, especially for small frames, sometimes is a good choice to stretch the top tube and choose a shortest stem rather than make bad head angles.
I believe there are more ways to get the right determination of geometry for a client, one of these may be the Steve way .
When I have the chance to meet the customer or I have body sizes, i starting to find the the correct angle of the seat tube , and then choose the correct length of the top tube and after that i choose the best combination between head angle\fork rake to get the best possible handling and balancing of the bike. Of course the stem is a part of the joke .
regarding your specific cases I think it's hard to find a good feeling with three different lenght of the top tube , it is true that you can adjust the lenght of the stem to have the same contact point but moving the weight foward and reward tespect to the front axle have an influence of the balance of the bike, I believe that there is one frame that you feel better than the other two .
ciao
d

[-HvA-]

Dario, what's your take on chainstay length for large frames?

It seems a lot of builders use 43cm for the bigger guys, but you prefer to stick to 41-41. 5cm

[Round]

Dario, what's your take on chainstay length for large frames?

It seems a lot of builders use 43cm for the bigger guys, but you prefer to stick to 41-41. 5cm

ciao,
this is one of my limit , when i think at a a bike i think only at a race bike and i try to find the limiit of the frame , longer chainstays can make a bit more comfortable frame but for a pure race machine is necessary to use a shorter lenght of the chainstays.
d

[Round]

Dario

Mingus or Monk?

Hi Roman,
damn, it's a question too difficult, they were both genius !
but ........... my soul say Monk .
ciao
d

[Round]

whata saturday ride --- next to you in steel with a steel cx richie ... now that was a "soul" ride..

thank you,

ronnie

grazie a te Ronnie
d

[Too Tall]

Dario, I'll explain in more detail. Suppose an rider were to purchase an race bicycle similar to any we currently see raced in Le Tour. Will that bicycle also be a good choice for training, putting in the 1000's of Kilometers necessary to prepare for racing or hard events? My personal opinion is that there is generally no difference, good race bikes are also perfect for training or getting groceries. I will admit I've considered using a bicycle with a slightly shorter top tube for heavy training. Set me straight!!!

Second, I have been a professional coach and bicycle fitter for yrs. In all the years of doing this I've never found a reason to adjust anyone's bars higher than their saddle. Can you comment as to why level bar/saddle or an appropriate amount of bar drop is the correct prescription and when is it not correct?

Thank You

[Round]

Dario, I'll explain in more detail. Suppose an rider were to purchase an race bicycle similar to any we currently see raced in Le Tour. Will that bicycle also be a good choice for training, putting in the 1000's of Kilometers necessary to prepare for racing or hard events? My personal opinion is that there is generally no difference, good race bikes are also perfect for training or getting groceries. I will admit I've considered using a bicycle with a slightly shorter top tube for heavy training. Set me straight!!!

Second, I have been a professional coach and bicycle fitter for yrs. In all the years of doing this I've never found a reason to adjust anyone's bars higher than their saddle. Can you comment as to why level bar/saddle or an appropriate amount of bar drop is the correct prescription and when is it not correct?

Thank You

Hi Josh,
here in Italy there are people who think that it is possible to build a frame more suited for uphill or one best suited for the flat road , etc. etc.
I think there is the correct frame for the rider not for the various kind of roads , in this sense I think that a frame from training should be the same of the frame for the race.
also because normally after the uphill you find the downhill .
I speak of the racing bike, which in itself is not a comfortable object , the bike is an object to make fatigue, now with a position on the bike where I can find a good compromise between respiration, aerodynamics and comfort to go faster this I believe is the right position and is definitely not a position where the handlebar is higher than the saddle.
about where must be the position of the handlebar respect the saddle i think that is an highly subjective issue and can depend on flexibility of the joints , pathological problems ability to ventilate the lungs in such a position etc.etc. in this case a good fitting performed by experts is the best solution.
in my case we must also consider my potbelly.
d

[climb01742]

in my case we must also consider my potbelly.-d

an example of why dario is such a wonderful human being to spend time with, in addition to being such a great craftsman.

[Badonkadonk]

dario,

i love riding my responsorium. it's comfortable and fast and i love how it looks.

would i also enjoy a BLE or a love #3 or do you think most riders are best suited for one particular model of bike?

thank you,

marc

[PDAR]

Dario, many thanks for the fixed frame you did for me through Kyle last year, a Duende in Ayers Rock. It's beautiful.

[sdg71]

Information just for the users of this thread....Dario calls me at the phone a few hours ago, asking me if his replies and thoughts are clear (he's worried in particular about his englishi mine is worst!!!) ; well after reading all his post in this section I can say, dear Dario, no matter what language you use....when your spirit is clear people understand everything about you and your crafts! I don't know if you agree with me....