Dang, I think we are having a great thread. Strong opinions, respect and some great ideas.

FWIIW "French Fit" is not. We call it that as a sales point for folks who are drawn to "it" whatever that is. Get it? We made it up. At least that's my take on French Fit.

The cultural reasons for this style of bicycle design and fitting is GREAT stuff and works when done properly. Dave makes a great point and if I might extend his point...no good fit happens without a strong skill set willing and able to apply the design and skills into a complete picture...the rider having skills to ride the bike and the bike well suited to the rider.

OMG???!!!! What's happening here???? Design, culture and abilities collide!!!

What's the answer? In my opinion we study, listen and talk it to death. No seriously.

HI BAMBI ;)