global worry... climate change crashes into development

[SteveP]

Dangerously Low on Water, Cape Town Now Faces ‘Day Zero’ - The New York Times

challenging future for a lot of people I thk.

[monadnocky]

A very, very frightening prospect for an absolutely breathtaking town (and a cycling mecca, to boot). Much of SA in in extreme drought, this is really just the most visible aspect of the crisis.

[ides1056]

also happening in Iran- there will be massive social unrest

[guido]

But we don't need to worry about climate change. Change our behavior, burn less fossil fuel, drive smaller cars. Nope. Fake news...

[Blue Jays]

They may wish to explore desalinization technology at this time.

[bking]

They may wish to explore desalinization technology at this time.

They're doing it.

[Matthew Strongin]

Climate change, sure, but don't ignore the white elephant in the room- over population. Over population has been much more dramatic than climate change.

Anyhow, coming soon to a location near you.

The problem with this argument is that it leads people to think we shouldn’t focus on addressing climate change since overpopulation is an issue too. They can both be problems and we should do everything we can to stem the tide of climate change whether or not there’s a white elephant hanging out in the room.

[Saab2000]

The problem with this argument is that it leads people to think we shouldn’t focus on addressing climate change since overpopulation is an issue too. They can both be problems and we should do everything we can to stem the tide of climate change whether or not there’s a white elephant hanging out in the room.

You can't address one without addressing the other. They are integrally linked.

Driving a Prius doesn't really mean much when there are tens of thousands of new Prius drivers entering the world every day.

[0nelove]

The problem with this argument is that it leads people to think we shouldn’t focus on addressing climate change since overpopulation is an issue too. They can both be problems and we should do everything we can to stem the tide of climate change whether or not there’s a white elephant hanging out in the room.

Mmm, I think you are placing a lot of projected assumptions onto a very straightforward statement.

I only said "don't ignore overpopulation." Which someone else also said (I missed it when I read through the first time, otherwise I wouldn't have made the post at all), but received no contest from you. My guess is that you are associating comments and assumptions from another thread and either consciously or subconsciously associating me with climate change denial.

They are both problems, and both must be addressed imo. Too many humans are living where too many humans should not live.

[Matthew Strongin]

Mmm, I think you are placing a lot of projected assumptions onto a very straightforward statement.

I only said "don't ignore overpopulation." Which someone else also said (I missed it when I read through the first time, otherwise I wouldn't have made the post at all), but received no contest from you. My guess is that you are associating comments and assumptions from another thread and either consciously or subconsciously associating me with climate change denial.

They are both problems, and both must be addressed imo. Too many humans are living where too many humans should not live.

Stop looking for a fight. My response was addressing your comment, "Over population has been much more dramatic than climate change" and the fact that I worry people (in the general sense, not you specifically) may resign themselves to not worrying about our impact on climate because of overpopulation. My subsequent posts should have made it clear that I don't think we should ignore either issue. I also had an exchange with Saab2000 on the topic further down the thread, so to suggest that I'm arguing with you in an unbalanced way due to some sort of bias based on a thread or exchange I don't even remember is absurd.

[0nelove]

No fight picking at all (I thought my second post was pretty benign, sorry if it was open to a hostile interpretation).

If you re-read the first page I think its pretty easy to see several other people mention the same thing, with no response other than affirmative. I was projecting assumptions onto your post to make sense of it, sorry if that's not the case.

[Matthew Strongin]

You can't address one without addressing the other. They are integrally linked.

Driving a Prius doesn't really mean much when there are tens of thousands of new Prius drivers entering the world every day.

I agree. I’m not suggesting we ignore overpopulation. I’m suggesting we don’t resign ourselves to driving F-350 diesel dualies because there are tens of thousands of new drivers in the next generation so what’s the point. And to keep the analogy, I’d much prefer to see a modernization of our communities and companies so that daily driving is no longer considered a requirement of life and work. That would help mitigate the impact.

Looking at it from another perspective, you don’t ignore the opioid epidemic because obesity / heart disease is such a problem. Our planet is overpopulated and poisoned. We should work on both.