US Womans Soccer 4th World Cup

[guido]

The complete definition of Class...

U.S. Wins Record Fourth World Cup Title - The New York Times

[mzilliox]

hard to get excited, the women actually play pretty poor/boring/impatient brand of soccer but still have the most experienced and talented group of players. Lavalle is real talent, the most complete player on the team.

I hope teams begin to really challenge them, forcing the coaching staff to actually have a game plan. with this level of talent, there should be a lot more non penalty kick goals than what we have seen. they simply dont play patiently, they force things way too often. i expect more in the future, or they will be caught

[j44ke]

What I saw of it was exciting, at least to me. IMHO, football is better than any other sport on the planet that doesn't involve a bicycle. Plenty of entertainment in this one.

I agree that Lavalle is the talent. Takes the ball straight into the teeth of the defense and leaves them stuck on their heels. Imagine if the women's pro league had the budget of English Premier League. How many Lavalles would there be?

[NYCfixie]

...Imagine if the women's pro league had the budget of English Premier League. How many Lavalles would there be?

I hope they also win their lawsuit.

After World Cup win, US women pivot to gender discrimination lawsuit

[Gradient]

Not so much a strait, as a full house just in case anyone thinks that the world is not competitive. The US team has won half of the Women's World Cup, 4 of 8 since the first in 1991.

My daughters have been talking trash all morning - They're in their 20s.

[bironi]

So are the women of America going to turn over some cars and set them on fire tonight.
Gotta do it to hang with the men.
Enjoyed the semis and finals.
Never played and an old dog, but fun anyway.
Byron

[72gmc]

I didn't get to see much of this WC but enjoyed what I saw. Several sides are getting stronger. I came in a Rapinoe fan and leave as a Dunn fan, a Lavelle fan, a Press fan ...

[e-RICHIE]

The header is wrong, no?
This is their fourth title but not four in a row.

The complete definition of Class...

U.S. Wins Record Fourth World Cup Title - The New York Times

[guido]

The header is wrong, no?
This is their fourth title but not four in a row.

Yes I did futz it up but the editing rules prevented me from fixing it.

[e-RICHIE]

Yes I did futz it up but the editing rules prevented me from fixing it.

Fixed it.

[Saab2000]

I listen to a lot of sports radio and podcasts and the talk of equal pay has come up. I'm unfamiliar with how national teams are paid for these kinds of competitions but it seems obvious for national teams in international competitions that pay and all other conditions should be equal. And since the USWNT probably creates more revenue than the USMNT via TV revenue they probably ought to be paid more than their male counterparts.

Anyone know how pay and revenue work in international competitions like the World Cup or Olympics?

[King Of Dirk]

I listen to a lot of sports radio and podcasts and the talk of equal pay has come up. I'm unfamiliar with how national teams are paid for these kinds of competitions but it seems obvious for national teams in international competitions that pay and all other conditions should be equal. And since the USWNT probably creates more revenue than the USMNT via TV revenue they probably ought to be paid more than their male counterparts.

Anyone know how pay and revenue work in international competitions like the World Cup or Olympics?

I don't know about pay/revenue constructs in international sports, but I do remember hearing one of Michael Jordan's representatives say Mike made a lot more from Nike and Coca-Cola than he did from the Bulls. If that's true...and it really ought to be...I think the USWNT should get a cut of jersey sales and other merchandise. Down here there might be a young woman who isn't wearing a national team jersey this week, but I sure haven't met her if so. Hell, I've seen a couple dozen dudes wearing WNT gear. Feels like progress.

Don't get me wrong, I know these women are nowhere near parity yet. I'm just glad to see them get so much love and airtime. Nothing succeeds like success, and our gals have it in spades.

I hear a lot of talk about how some (one in particular) of the players are ruining their moment by politicizing things. I can see that, but I'm more inclined to think it's a shame the nation is so jacked up that athletes feel they need to weigh in on such things. If the people did their part, we'd have public officials who reflect our values, and then the team could "shut up and play." Until we can behave like (and elect) grown-ups, I'm glad public figures like Ms. Rapinoe are making noise.

[vertical_doug]

I listen to a lot of sports radio and podcasts and the talk of equal pay has come up. I'm unfamiliar with how national teams are paid for these kinds of competitions but it seems obvious for national teams in international competitions that pay and all other conditions should be equal. And since the USWNT probably creates more revenue than the USMNT via TV revenue they probably ought to be paid more than their male counterparts.

Anyone know how pay and revenue work in international competitions like the World Cup or Olympics?

Well, the FIFA pool for prize money for the Women's Tournament is 7.5% of the Men's Tournament. You can start there and then follow the FIFA breadcrumbs of international sports organizations based in Switzerland down the corruption rabbit hole.

FIFA, IOOC , its all a dank cesspool. . .

[Dallas Tex]

Sell more tickets. Make more money.

[WFSTEKL]

Sell more tickets. Make more money.

Don't take the path with less resistance. Do your homework.

[Dallas Tex]

Don't take the path with less resistance. Do your homework.

It’s my understanding that the men’s team as well as the women’s team are paid based on a percentage of revenue generated by their respective teams. And that percentage is currently larger for the women’s team, so if they were paid ‘equally’ it would actually be a pay cut for the women’s team.

Help me understand what you were trying to say with your above quote.

[WFSTEKL]

It’s my understanding that the men’s team as well as the women’s team are paid based on a percentage of revenue generated by their respective teams. And that percentage is currently larger for the women’s team, so if they were paid ‘equally’ it would actually be a pay cut for the women’s team.

Help me understand what you were trying to say with your above quote.

If that is your understanding then you don't understand. If you do your homework as suggested, and not have someone else think for you, then you will gain some clarity and perspective on the topic.

[vertical_doug]

It’s my understanding that the men’s team as well as the women’s team are paid based on a percentage of revenue generated by their respective teams. And that percentage is currently larger for the women’s team, so if they were paid ‘equally’ it would actually be a pay cut for the women’s team.

Help me understand what you were trying to say with your above quote.

Back on track:

The U.S. Soccer Federation wrote in a court filing that the two groups are paid differently due to differences in their collective-bargaining agreements. The men collectively bargained for what the federation calls a "pay-for-play" structure that is incentive-laden. The women's collective bargaining agreement includes guaranteed salaries and benefits.

According to The Washington Post, which cited copies of both agreements, female U.S. soccer players can sign contracts that provide an annual salary of $100,000 and additional bonuses for wins and ties. The men do not get annual salaries, but they get larger bonuses per game — including a guarantee of $5,000 even if they lose.

Under these structures, according to the newspaper, a female player who played (and won) 20 exhibition matches would receive just 89% of what a male player would get under the exact same circumstances. If both players lost all 20 matches instead, the payment would be the same for both groups: $100,000.

According to the lawsuit filed by U.S. women's players, the men and women were compensated differently by U.S. Soccer for past performances at the World Cup.

The women received $1.725 million for winning the 2015 event, according to the lawsuit — though it's important to note that this was prior to their current CBA, which was finalized in 2017. Meanwhile, the men received $5.375 million for just reaching the Round of 16 in 2014, the lawsuit alleges. (In a response filed with the court, U.S. Soccer denied these claims.)

The arguments that follow are pretty straightforward: U.S. Soccer can point the finger at FIFA and say that it would pay men and women the same if the governing body awarded the same prize money. Female players, however, can argue that it is the federation's responsibility to ensure equality in pay based on results — regardless of FIFA.


I think this is more a FIFA issue than a USNT issue. The reason the focus needs to be on FIFA is it is essentially a 'non-profit' governing body which is suppose to promote the sport.

[theflashunc]

This team is becoming increasingly tiresome to endure. Simply be appreciative of fans and remain graceful.
In her speech on live broadcast yesterday, Megan Rapinoe closed with, "NYC, you are the motherf*cking best!"

She could not think of a better and classier way to conclude her speech to the assembled crowd?
How about, "We love and appreciate your terrific support! Thank you on behalf of our whole team."

Because then she wouldn't be Megan Fucking Rapinoe. The men's national team had Clint Dempsey as a World Class Asshole who accomplished all of nothing for the better part of the MNT's existence. Rapinoe is involved in what's been named the Greatest Goal in Women's World Cup history -- Wambach's header against Brazil to force PKs in the 2011 semifinal at the death of play -- and was probably the most consistent player for the team in this World Cup. You get to have some swagger when you're arguably the baddest soccer player on the planet at the moment.

I hear a lot of talk about how some (one in particular) of the players are ruining their moment by politicizing things. I can see that, but I'm more inclined to think it's a shame the nation is so jacked up that athletes feel they need to weigh in on such things. If the people did their part, we'd have public officials who reflect our values, and then the team could "shut up and play." Until we can behave like (and elect) grown-ups, I'm glad public figures like Ms. Rapinoe are making noise.

What you're asking for is a thing that's never happened as long as sports have been part of the public consciousness in America. Sports figures are agents for change in the country, and can drive policy, not the other way around.





https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.57043aec4088

[Blue Jays]

"...Because then she wouldn't be Megan Fucking Rapinoe.
You get to have some swagger when you're arguably the baddest soccer player on the planet at the moment..."

Perhaps she is just still sore over her team getting soundly defeated 5-2 by a team of 14 y.o. boys from Texas, too.