The Knowledge 1.0 - Bike Frame Design Process

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Originally Posted by crumpton

you guys want practice? knock yourself out on this abortion that just landed in my inbox. Yes, A performance road fit. Who can tell me whats wrong with this fit for a 5'1/2" person with very average proportions.

Saddle length: 260mm
Saddle Setback: 42mm
Saddle to bar: 428mm
Handlebar drop:: 55mm
Saddle height: 620mm

Is it possible to connect the tubes to accommodate this? Yes. Am I willing to do it? No.

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Nic- the most comfortable place is the world is sitting at the bar- right? So why shouldn't your bike fit be an exact copy of how you sit at the bar?

Quite late to this thread, but...

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Originally Posted by e-RICHIE

The fitting thing has worked its way into daily conversation because it preys on the insecurities of many who feel they are not capable of knowing what is right…I think a person can easily determine what works, and what is right - all he has to do is ride a lot.

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I used to think I rode enough to know what felt right or wrong. Only now that I'm just beginning to ride enough to even begin to know do I realise how true this is.

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Originally Posted by Lionel

The worst $300 I spent was a retul fit

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Some of the worst money I ever spent was getting trained to use Retül before I moved to Australia, thinking it would be the key to a new career when I got here. I got so put off by how easy it was to put these 'tools' into someone's hands and allow them to believe they could fit someone to a bike - with zero regard for the bike handling - that I couldn't face the prospect of trying to buy into what I had been taught and, more to the point, to impart this 'knowledge' onto others and make them believe I was a 'Bike Fitter'.

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Originally Posted by blasdelf

unfortunately given the nature of the business, the t̶h̶e̶r̶a̶p̶i̶s̶t̶ fitter in a bike shop can't tell the customer that they're the problem, it always has to be the bike

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Too true, unfortunately - and I say that as someone who previously "needed" that therapist (rapist?).

Fitters who aren't prepared to tell their clients the real truth (e.g. [and, yes, to draw on what I have realised from my own experience] "Sir, you spend 40-60hrs a week hunched over a laptop – your bike is not the problem") are – perhaps quite understandably – simply watching the $$ roll in.

There was a post on here from Dave Kirk about saddle setback, which he followed up with a comment about *actually thinking* about pedalling – testing the suggestions in those posts helped me understand more about my bike fit and position than anything else I have got out of my bike fittings over the last few years, or was taught on my Retül course. Coupled with recent focus on core, flexibility and off-the-bike posture, I am the strongest and most comfortable I have ever been on a bike, and without significantly upping my effort or mileage.

I think I just ate a chunk of humble pie...

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Originally Posted by RichTheRoadie

"Sir, you spend 40-60hrs a week hunched over a laptop – your bike is not the problem")

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I'd buy this tee shirt ^ atmo.

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Originally Posted by RichTheRoadie

I think I just ate a chunk of humble pie...

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biketart is dead, long live richtheroadie

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Originally Posted by blasdelf

biketart is dead, long live richtheroadie

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amen brother