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Breaking down subcutaneous scar tissue.
For the uninitiated, I took an epic spill in a Speedweek criterium this spring. Slammed my hip into the pavement at 35-40mph without any asphalt burn to dissipate the impact:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3...u1zko1_500.jpg
Massive internal hematoma that team "doctor" refused to drain. It healed after about 2 months, but left a massive wad of scar tissue sitting under my skin that you can actually see. No amount of rolling seems to break it down, and it hurts like a MF.
Anyone with ideas?
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Doof= truth
I just started getting ROLFing treatments before the end of the season.
it_is_amazing
i get a bonus. my ROLF therapist is SMOKING hot!
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if you'd wear some bibs, we wouldn't see it
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Hmmm, I should see if my insurance will cover ROLFing. Coach suggested the same as well (he had a hip replacement and has done much of the same), but his ins won't cover it.
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Heisenberg
Hmmm, I should see if my insurance will cover ROLFing. Coach suggested the same as well (he had a hip replacement and has done much of the same), but his ins won't cover it.
That is a tough angle to work however any deep tissue M.therapist worth their salt should be able to do this. It will not happen with just one or three sessions.
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Too Tall
That is a tough angle to work however any deep tissue M.therapist worth their salt should be able to do this. It will not happen with just one or three sessions.
i have amazing insurance, but they laugh at alternative healing mumbo jumbo
Maybe your GP can recommend a PT that does the deep tissue route, etc...
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Chance Legstrong
i have amazing insurance, but they laugh at alternative healing mumbo jumbo
Maybe your GP can recommend a PT that does the deep tissue route, etc...
Dewd. Wake up, it's 2012 and M.therapists are state licensed and I take insurance...for instance. Work the system brother, if it was easy insurance providers would not make so much money (ouch).
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Too Tall
Dewd. Wake up, it's 2012 and M.therapists are state licensed and I take insurance...for instance. Work the system brother, if it was easy insurance providers would not make so much money (ouch).
sorry, i must've been asleep
insurance is cool with the MTs not ROLFers and soothsayers
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This doesn't add anything to the discussion but my knuckle is all scar tissue from the break this summer and my finger won't bend hardly at all as a result, the tendon has about an extra 3/8 of an inch to go because of all the crap in there. I've been tempted to buy an ultrasound parts washer and stick my finger in it to see if that'll loosen things up.
All I have to add is that massage does work for stuff like that but it does take a few sessions to work completely. Already said, I'm just chiming in.
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I have dealt with a similar issue over the past five years. Broke the right femur in 07', and although the surgery was not terribly invasive, it left pockets of scar tissue up and down the IT band.
Rolling has helped, but only after many, many sessions.
Have you tried one of Trigger Point's fancy new "Grid" rollers? They seem a bit stiffer than the standard all-foam roller.
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nbrewste
I have dealt with a similar issue over the past five years. Broke the right femur in 07', and although the surgery was not terribly invasive, it left pockets of scar tissue up and down the IT band.
Rolling has helped, but only after many, many sessions.
Have you tried one of Trigger Point's fancy new
"Grid" rollers? They seem a bit stiffer than the standard all-foam roller.
Broke my femur this year - good to hear the rolling helped. Any other tips? I suppose I'll find a good LMT to thrash me.
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Tom
This doesn't add anything to the discussion but my knuckle is all scar tissue from the break this summer and my finger won't bend hardly at all as a result, the tendon has about an extra 3/8 of an inch to go because of all the crap in there. I've been tempted to buy an ultrasound parts washer and stick my finger in it to see if that'll loosen things up.
All I have to add is that massage does work for stuff like that but it does take a few sessions to work completely. Already said, I'm just chiming in.
I had something similar second yr. college. A lab accident and a very large ragged cut. After it completely healed I had only 50% mobility. It took about 3 months of fussing with it to convince all the scar tissue to mobilize. Get er done son, don't try to do it all at once.
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It's getting better. I do enjoy breaking up meetings that are past their useful time by massaging my pinkie under the table...
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nbrewste
I have dealt with a similar issue over the past five years. Broke the right femur in 07', and although the surgery was not terribly invasive, it left pockets of scar tissue up and down the IT band.
Rolling has helped, but only after many, many sessions.
Have you tried one of Trigger Point's fancy new
"Grid" rollers? They seem a bit stiffer than the standard all-foam roller.
Got one. LOVE it. Want to try one of their balls, too: 2012 Trigger Point Starter Set - Competitive Cyclist
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Do give the castor oil packs a try, I've personally have seen it heal scar tissue and even benign tumors. I'll keep my "alternative" agenda to myself for the rest, but it's a cheap option that won't hurt.
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-HvA-
Do give the castor oil packs a try, I've personally have seen it heal scar tissue and even benign tumors. I'll keep my "alternative" agenda to myself for the rest, but it's a cheap option that won't hurt.
i hope you don't think i was calling you out with "alternative" agenda...
i was talking about my insurance and their view of ROLFing.
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-HvA-
Do give the castor oil packs a try, I've personally have seen it heal scar tissue and even benign tumors. I'll keep my "alternative" agenda to myself for the rest, but it's a cheap option that won't hurt.
I think I will when I get home Monday - sounds like it could be a lovely rainy-day activity...
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Chance Legstrong
i hope you don't think i was calling you out with "alternative" agenda...
i was talking about my insurance and their view of ROLFing.
Not at all, I just try to be tactful about non-mainstream remedies or whatever you want to call it, some people really don't care for it and I respect that.
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Heisenberg
I think I will when I get home Monday - sounds like it could be a lovely rainy-day activity...
Give it at least a couple weeks of doing it daily. I'm about to hit the road for the weekend, but PM if you need any info.
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jamesand
Broke my femur this year - good to hear the rolling helped. Any other tips? I suppose I'll find a good LMT to thrash me.
Take the recovery slowly. I rushed into things and caused some serious (and seriously unnecessary) tendonitis. It takes a while (like months) for all that soft tissue to settle back into place.
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i favor the rolfing suggestion because i am rolfer but any decent massage therapist who knows how to work with fascia will be a big help.
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nbrewste
Take the recovery slowly. I rushed into things and caused some serious (and seriously unnecessary) tendonitis. It takes a while (like months) for all that soft tissue to settle back into place.
Cool thanks - it happened in February, but the leg is still settling in and I have a lot more work to do.
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What is unique about castor oil? My PT sticks my hand in a big vat of paraffin and after wrapping it in Saran wrap puts weighted hot towels on it to loosen the finger up before she starts working on it. Is there something in the castor oil I'm going to absorb and that works on the garbage?
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Tom
What is unique about castor oil? My PT sticks my hand in a big vat of paraffin and after wrapping it in Saran wrap puts weighted hot towels on it to loosen the finger up before she starts working on it. Is there something in the castor oil I'm going to absorb and that works on the garbage?
Not sure what the chemical properties are, but it has a long standing historical use for benign tumors, (malignant even, but I've not met a direct case of that), scar tissue, etc. Application is very similar to what your PT is doing, Saran wrap helps protect towels, you can use a hot water bottle to help it absorb.
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My Mrs (acupuncturist) says the castor oil helps the heat to penetrate deeper into the tissue. It has a number of medicinal properties, but HvA describes it well as: apply castor oil, layer of plastic wrap (so as to not make a mess), then heating pad. Paraffin works well on hands/fingers since it can get in all the nooks and crannies that a heating pad might miss. Also has a bit of moisture that helps with the penetration. And it's really fun to peel off.
We offered Heisenberg the PT/ acupuncture tag team in exchange for babysitting our 3 year old. He hightailed out of town.
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i'd repeatedly swab the area with iodine-- twice a day, and then put moisturizer on it. it's pretty bizarre how this works-- but if you keep up the regimen-- it'll help break that stuff down and basically regenerate the skin. iodine's weird stuff-- but it heals you up like mad- and since it's not in a visible location, having brown stains on your skin shouldn't matter much.
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ned
My Mrs (acupuncturist) says the castor oil helps the heat to penetrate deeper into the tissue. It has a number of medicinal properties, but HvA describes it well as: apply castor oil, layer of plastic wrap (so as to not make a mess), then heating pad. Paraffin works well on hands/fingers since it can get in all the nooks and crannies that a heating pad might miss. Also has a bit of moisture that helps with the penetration. And it's really fun to peel off.
We offered Heisenberg the PT/ acupuncture tag team in exchange for babysitting our 3 year old. He hightailed out of town.
He'll be back Thursday. Bwahahaha.