All right Mr. De Mille, I'm ready for my close-up...
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Edit: Damn, Richard called my bluff!
I better get to typing....
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All right Mr. De Mille, I'm ready for my close-up...
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4004/...fbf87ee8_b.jpg
Edit: Damn, Richard called my bluff!
I better get to typing....
dwf - the most important man in framebuilding atmo.
That's it, that's all we get? A picture of Don hugging his tool?
Don,
You are a hero to most.
Can you please share with us how you went from jumping out of planes honorably at the service of the United States of America to becoming a Master Craftsman?
Thank You,
Justin
I'm interested in your framebuilding as well. How much framebuilding do you do as opposed to the tooling side of your business?
don,
give us a little time line of yr manufacturing.
i assume you started building frames and then expanded into tooling.
what brought you into the tooling side?
When is the Anvil three axis adjustable front derailleur braze on boss jig going to be in the mail to me?
I demand to know
My Anvil Forky brazio jigio is a nice tool, thank you Don :bigsmile:
let's hear about the artic thing, too
and vee dubs and whisky
a thanksgiving tale, uncle donny!
Thanks Justin, but I don't consider myself a master craftsman at anything. Jack of all trades is closer to the mark.
I'll try to compress a lifetime into a paragraph or two. I worked in machine shops as a kid (Dads, etc.) I began learning to weld at a very young age; I think I was 12 when I started to actually get paid to do it, as I recall it was welding angle clips on boiler tubes with 7014. No matter but it gave me a taste for it and I liked having $$ in my pocket so the rest of my school years I always had a job. Sometimes two. I was heavy into bikes, motorcycles, cars and all things mechanical from about the 3rd grade on. It's just the environment I was raised in. I hated machining, I thought it was boring, and nobody wanted to be that kid that smelled like coolant all the time but with welding you could set the world on fire. From 16 years old on, I lived on my own, had a full time job, a place to live, and somehow managed to finish High School.
I had a bad temper and worse judgement; my Dad always said I could get in a fight just looking at somebody across the street. I started bouncing around from one scrape with the law to the next, and one day I found myself in Cleburne, Texas standing in front of a military recruiting center. Smartest thing I ever did was breaking the cycle I kept finding myself in. I loved the Army, I loved my job, and was good at it; it was like boy scouts for men with merit badges for blowing shit up. When I got out, I was recruited to work on DOS jobs in US Embassies, first in Mexico City, then Chad. Good times. From there, I was recruited to work in the US Antarctic Program which I did for the next 9 or so years. During that time I moved out of construction management and into operations and then upper management and when I left I was the Sr. Area Manager for all three US Antarctic Stations (McMurdo, South Pole, and Palmer)
Around 1998/99 I traded what I felt was a corporate straight jacket for something that didn't fit so tight, went to UBI where Ron Sutphin & Jim Kish changed my life, started Anvil Bikeworks, and the rest is history.
I didn't choose to do what I do today, it chose me. I love it until I hate it and then I love it some more.
Wake up Justin, the opera is over.
Unfortunately, very little these days. I build just enough to keep the heavy rust at bay. Building bikes is kind of like riding them: you might get fat & slow but you don't forget how.
The tooling took over my business in 2004...actually before that, but I quit taking orders in 2004. I always though building frames and building tools would be a good mix but it's more like oil & water. In 2004 I finally faced up to the fact that all I could do was piss everybody off by being late with both bikes and tools. I can tell you it was a hard decision to quit building. Like I said before, I never started Anvil to be a tool builder, it's just the way it shook out. My first bike show I displayed at I took my fixtures to use as backdrops. My frames could just as well have been made out of glass, everybody looked right through them and all the questions were about the tools. I sold my first frame fixture that day.
Crap, what was Antarctica like? Besides cold. I've always wanted to see it in person.
Thanks Steve. It's as I posted to Ed. I did start building frames and to do that I had to build fixtures first (I'll see if I can find pics of them later). I built the first "Master" fixture designed for resale in 2000 I think. The original 10 Masters were all done on my old turret mill, and old rotary table, and lathe. I'd work the long days showing those things who was boss. I'd really explore the room on what was possible to do on that damn mill. Ram all the way out & rotated off to one side. Table all the way to the opposite lock so I swing the radius's I needed to cut on the rotary. Those original masters were HUGE too. 8 setups per side working off pins and two rotary table ops and every move was impending doom. Good times! The original Journeyman made its debut at Interbike '03. I didn't think I'd sell 10 of those JMan's; it was just do different than everything else; hell I didn't even keep serial numbers on the first 100-odd units that I did!
Highest, driest, coldest, land on Earth pretty much captures it. Other than that it was party time!
The Antarctic Cycling & Drinking Club circa early 90's (I'm in the middle, green jacket, blue pants):
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Airing it out in McMurdo!
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Pancake ice on the way to Palmer Station after the Drake Passage
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Hero shot at South Pole. We were digging out arches and the dome this year:
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Hero shot my first year on the ice/McMurdo building the water plant and fire hydrant system (hot water!)
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don- it's a not so secret secret that you're still making the occassional bike. so spill- rumor has it these things are for people not comfortable enough with their own sexuality to wear Lycra bib shorts, but might want to smethimg crazy like ride the colorado trail unsupported.
where do you see bike design going in the next few years? what the fuck is the modern mountain bike? and given fxture sales, what's the state of the handmade bicycle industry? and last one, what's the best 1915 for shooting cans or other threats to my personal safety?
hey DWF it's saturday night and you have been under the hot lights for at least two hours.
how has your life changed so far atmo.
Yeah. Entropy as a brand is pretty stagnant, as much as I'd like to, I just don't have time to make a go of it, and am too much of a control freak to not do it myself. But hey, Nancy is pretty awesome. I've never quit designing bikes & bike stuff, but turning it from design to reality is the show stopper for me so it comes down to the occasional special bike. I'm really tempted to hire another guy for the tooling biz and delegate day to day ops to my main man Matt but as Carl Strong told me (and apparently everybody now -- he used to make me feel so special!) that when he expanded, he handled more money and managed more risk, but he didn't MAKE more money. That's damn good cautionary advice to me. Right now, Anvil is a very healthy, sustainable, business that provides a very good living for three folks if you don't mind working 50 hours a week. This year I've focused a lot on increasing our capacity and capabilities (new VMC and other equipment, and more space) so that means we should see some increased efficiency next year, but again, it's a double edged sword. The new VMC is a very good example. It rips through product compared to our older stuff, but to take advantage of it, we have to make new sub-plates and fixturing to hold the parts, which means instead of saving us time it's taking about twice the time. The gain will come later. Shit, I'm rambling! What were we talking about again?
Dinner is ready, so I'll finish this up later!
is this on amazon yet atmo -
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Don,
What tool, other than myself, are you most proud of or like the most and why?
I always considered what lie-nielsen is to woodworking, anvil must be to frame building.
Wow...cool stuff..Don. It sounds you have had some serious adventures. Do you ever get the itch to do anything like that (ie Antartica) again? Also, what prompted you to start building tooling? You have clearly taken what was available to the next level and beyond....your stuff is not only functional, but beautifully designed and executed as well...was that sense of style your goal from the beginning? or a natural progression for you?
Do you do any machine work beyond your bicycle tooling? For example, drop outs, or other fittings for builders? How about outside of the bicycle industry?
Anyway..sorry for all of the questions...I've always been fascinated with and impressed by what you do.
Dave
Don,
From where did the interest in cycling and bikes come?
Sincerely,
Private Joker
OK, a little history:
Here's the first Anvil Frame Fixture ev-ar:
http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum...2&d=1266041660
Here's one of the first batch of "Masters" that I did for resale:
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First Journeyman ever, 2003 Interbike:
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Bike design? You talking design or geometry or purpose? On the geometry side for the road we're all still working from the same spreadsheet if you account for a little rounding error. The industry keeps dicking around with BB's and headset sizes but nobody is getting any faster and nothing is lasting longer. It's cool, I love the tech, but I don't think it's buying us anything. For me, retro is the new modern. People are building with MAX again for God's sake. Even RichardfuckingSachs is coming out with some MOS lugs and hell hasn't even frozen over yet!
On the MTB side, I see folks going back to its roots: simplicity, slack angles, full rigid, SS, you name it. 5 years ago in Colorado it was rare to see folks on hardtails unless it was an SS and nobody was rocking the full rigid. Now you're tripping over them left & right. 29ers are very fashionable now but again, nobody is going faster on them -- to me the difference is more in the geo forced by them, not the wheelsize.
Fixture sales: I tell this to anybody who'll stand still long enough -- I feel like the muffler mechanic in a small town. Every time a fixture goes out the door, I say, "well, that's it. That's the last car in town and that's the last muffler I'll sell." Never happens. We're selling frame fixtures like crazy right now. Today. I do think the sales in the US has slowed, maybe we're at the apogee, dunno', but our overseas sales have picked up dramatically. Korea is hot and so is Japan. There's a resurgence in EU. Spain! If it ever dries up, there are still a lot of parts that need making for 50 year old Volkswagens.
My honest to god opinion: this is the best time in the world to be in the bike biz & South Korea is the new Portland. As far as the US, more people than ever are riding. More folks are appreciating what ~we~ do. I say fuck $4 a gallon gasoline. Let gas prices do what they may; lets evolve!
1911? One word: Kimber. So hot right now.
Thanks, Roman.
Tool I'm most proud of? Man, that's tough. I think the last generation of Super Master was what most folks would expect, but I really think it's the Notorious BBG. It was completely out of the box and I think it's still an elegant, yet pragmatic, design that's modular enough to serve many functions. Then there's the FOG attachment for it that was a great little project. And I really like the Feng & Phrunt Shuis because that's when I started to just have fun designing things instead of sweating over them. And the fork fixture. And the new builder's wheel attachment for the BBG that is going to be another hand on forehead moment for folks. Fuck it. I'll say it: I'm proud of all of it!
Sounds just like a begining frame builder...Quote:
I'm hungry, dehydrated, and my fingers are tired
Thank you, Dave. I would love to go back to the ice again but only to see what's changed. Other than that, I'd just as soon step off the plane in Christchurch and bounce around NZ again! I really miss going to New Zealand twice a year! I still have adventures, though. Last year we rode the full length of the Colorado Trail unsupported, just left from the house and stopped when we got to Durango. Good, good times. We still do stupid shit like survival rides, and MTB trips, etc., etc. As I approach 50, I know I've slowed down some but I'm cool with it. I've done what I've done and at the end of the day so far my only real regret is that I didn't spend more time with my Dad and pay more attention to the shit he was trying to teach me from the day I was born until the day he died.
What prompted me to start building tooling was frame building. I wouldn't have done one without the other. As far as the progression of the designs, I think it's natural and one of the benefits of making all our own stuff in house. If I want to change something, I just do There are obviously limits, like any frame builder, I have to consider the bottom line if I want to be around tomorrow, next year, or the next decade. Here's the truth about me: I hate sharp edges. I like organic, flowing, shapes. I will put a radius where most guys will put a chamfer and I'll put a chamfer where someone else won't even break the edge. This isn't a bikeworld only thing. We talk about this stuff all the time in the shop when we get something in we bought and it's covered in sharp edges and whatnot. No excuse for it really, it's just laziness.
99.9 percent of the work we do is for our own product. I have made dropouts for others and yokes and other parts but to date it's really not a good fit for my business because those projects end up competing for spindle time in the shop. I get lots of requests, but unless it's a good fit, I refer them to others. Anvil has only done two non-bike industry projects, both huge and both for science projects in the Arctic. I have made parts for Volkswagens and other personal projects but they don't count....:)
Whisky is a three letter word: Rye!
VW's: a story of progression....
first there was this:
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Then there was this:
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With this:
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and this:
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but it's really about this:
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then there was this:
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and that was buffed into this:
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now there's this:
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and who knows what it will look like next year! Probably the same.
I had to check my list to see if you were still dead to me, Joker. Congratulations, you made it!
I always loved bikes but the kicker came when I was working for a veterinarian when I was pretty young, 5th or 6th grade I think. We lived in Kennedale, Texas, the clinic was outside of Rendon. I think it was 13-miles each way or close to it. Rolling hills. Chased by dogs every time. The vet was a collegiate racer and had a garage full of road bikes with Itie names, silk tires, Campagnolo drive trains. He was impressed with my riding ability especially since I was putting 26 miles a day on a girls step through 26" Schwinn ( it was humiliating to ride that thing but it took forever to get there spinning my 20" Stingray ditch jumper). He let me ride one of those fancy bikes for a while and I could fly and the hook was set.
You know those frames that you never should have sold, but were young and dumb and sold anyway because you thought you needed to? When really you didn't, because eventually you'd have got whatever you wanted at the time one way or the other? The ones you should have held on to, and maybe built back up later and appreciated them in a whole awesome, new way? And they're still the best you ever had?
Mine were two Anvils.
I'm retarded. I miss them.
Don, have you ever thought about doing an 'Egalitarian' jig for the hobbyists out there? I think your jigs are good value for the lifers out there, but something simple and affordable for those that maybe only want to make a frame or two a year is probably a big hole in the market right now.
Thanks, Warwick.
I've thought about, drew it, but never built it. We probably never will. Look at it this way: you could build a frame out of gas pipe & slap some Tourney parts on it, but it wouldn't be who your company is, right? It's not what you're into, right? Well, that's not who Anvil is either.
Mr. Ferris,
Among all the great Smoked Out stories, yours might be the bestest. If I’m following your story right, after one successful and singular career you start a 2nd building frames. And it turns out that not only do the fixtures you developed to build them draw their own market, but that creating and producing those clever, substantial tools is where your passion and talent lies.
So you’ve come, rightfully, to dominate that market. Maybe your character can only be satisfied when creating something new, as opposed to chasing the perfection of something already established? I’m pushing this long-distance psychology way too far, so I’ll drop it. Especially because I’ve really got no questions for you.
I just wanted to say that:
1. Reading this thread has been way entertaining;
2. Your whiskey recommendations, and your whiskey, have made my life better; and
3. I’m sorry I ever said your posts were narcissistic and petty, and even hostile.
I’m glad I know you. Maybe you'll get me on one of those Nancys someday. For now I’m going to throw my 26” dual-suspension Taiwan bike in the back of my bone-stock Honda Fit and go for a ride.
I assume that those bikes in the VW van are your mountain bikes that you use for those crazy jumping pics you've posted. It may be a stupid question, but do you build your own mountain bikes? Of what? My Anvil was steel but did you ever build of aluminum or titanium?
Going back through these, one thing I noticed (other than the misspellings & horrible punctuation) is that I've not given much credit to my workmates. There are 3 of us who work at Anvil each day. Lots of you had met Blaine in the past, he worked at ABW for near 8 years. I've known Blaine since '93, I think, as he was the service manager at my LBS. Lots of good times with Blaine over the years. He's moved on now but he was a big part of the team for a long time.
Near 3 years ago, we hired Matt, aka, "Elroy" as a helper. I met him on a group bike ride and he was fresh out of job and started working for us sweeping floors for $10 and hour. Didn't take Matt long to show what he was all about and move up from there. Those of you who attended the Indy or Richmond NAHBS have probably met Matt & he's the main man now. Being an IT guy, he took to programming right away and is now probably better than I am at it. He's methodical and thorough and has really come into his own as a machinist/operator. There's really nothing now in the shop that he can't do when it comes to setups and making parts. He's even proven to be a very competent designer. Matt is currently looking for his next ex-girlfriend, is a hell of a bike mechanic, and a mountain biker who DH races in the Expert/Cat 1 category.
We also have Kris who's been with us since March or April of this year. Kris has filled Matt's old job as helper, crater, and doer of things that need done. He has two Masters in business, his own Coffee Company, and we still have no idea why he wants to work with we two wine headed derelicts, but we're glad he does. Kris races MTB's as a Cat 1 and just recently competed in the Xterra World Championships.