From Freddy Parr -

Rules that need attention is securing a supply line.
History shows that unless those are owned for the duration the success of one period won't carry over.

I am worried about talent being discarded for economics here.

Flame me but there is no need to explore beyond talent.

The sensation is already over, and now the dismal removal of options to compete with big industry is back in play.

You all forget too fast.

Federal laws and costly supply only apply to small fab shops, the larger operations have the market wired, and the portion of the small popular builder is to fuel the fire for the next round.

As public demand rises the opinions of venue specialists dims, If it works for you fine, but as it begins it will end as the public becomes aware.

The craft is outside of tech, it is a tech of it's own and with that it can provide, outside of of each venue it is just another bicycle.

May appeal to some but is still a red headed step child of those that spent the time and money to secure it as this years top article.

Sorry if I miss spelled here but there is no Lion here, take it from within if you can, take it from without if you have the resources.

All of your combined stuff is good, you choose?

My formulas are available from Wade, I don't sell anything, I just work.
http://www.cycledesignusa.com/brazing_wire.htm

freddy -

unless this post is zanc-centric i will move it to the other frame board so all can participate.
please PM asap and i will respectfully wait to hear from you.

thanks.

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Originally Posted by Freddy

Rules that need attention is securing a supply line.
History shows that unless those are owned for the duration the success of one period won't carry over.

I am worried about talent being discarded for economics here.

Flame me but there is no need to explore beyond talent.

The sensation is already over, and now the dismal removal of options to compete with big industry is back in play.

You all forget too fast.

Federal laws and costly supply only apply to small fab shops, the larger operations have the market wired, and the portion of the small popular builder is to fuel the fire for the next round.

As public demand rises the opinions of venue specialists dims, If it works for you fine, but as it begins it will end as the public becomes aware.

The craft is outside of tech, it is a tech of it's own and with that it can provide, outside of of each venue it is just another bicycle.

May appeal to some but is still a red headed step child of those that spent the time and money to secure it as this years top article.

Sorry if I miss spelled here but there is no Lion here, take it from within if you can, take it from without if you have the resources.

All of your combined stuff is good, you choose?

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i am going to move this to the general frame board so all can post and none of it detracts from mike's thread atmo.

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Originally Posted by Freddy

No Richard
Of course I love Zanc but it applies to the food chain.
As tech is in the spotlight the key players on the other end of the supply line.
They see what they made giant companies from, money?
And they will supply up until they don't see it fast in one season of turns.
In the next year the tech will climb again and we as the builders and committee
will have two issues, customers asking for the new tech and the skill and supply
to compete, it is not like your traditional icon for most of the lads.
You commit a traditional execution with complete skill and results.
Time and demand still asks for customs of current tech from the others.
Impasse, if you can't get it you can't do it.

You know me, I like the ride of the well made results of sanity like I would make for you
or you would make for me.

But progress pays the bills in some venues, and despite the how comfortable those can make
it, the bills get paid by that industry competition.

Business is venue first, reliable supply second, skill third, and hope and extra hours?

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Originally Posted by Freddy

With all the love in the world, forums can't take words out of context.
So I unsubscribe.
Best wishes for all.

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c'mon freddy don't be such a big boo atmo.
wtf happened?

Can't do it, I write and it vanishes when I post?

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Can't do it, I write and it vanishes when I post?

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it must be a freddy mac thing atmo.
get a dell.

This is a Dell?
short version, I love Mike he has the best hands and mind I have ever seen.
And patience to finish.
What else can I say.

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Originally Posted by Freddy

This is a Dell?
short version, I love Mike he has the best hands and mind I have ever seen.
And patience to finish.
What else can I say.

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just don't go unsubscribing or replacing us with http://twitter.com/freddyparr
huh. your thoughts, while sometimes confused with, well - with confusion, are
a valuable part of the effbuilding community atmo.

This is interesting.

What does it all mean?


Dave

Please be the first to tell me, I just do my portion?
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I know silver is for the what all the cool cats use, and the chicks dig it, but don't forget about us lowtech lfb guys:blink1:

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I know silver is for the what all the cool cats use, and the chicks dig it, but don't forget about us lowtech lfb guys

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We have been on it, 3 of the versions are done and Dave Bohm has them for sale.
No learning curve, works like LFB with paste and powder fluxes and a kicker to make it possible to use on SS.
More to come but it takes time, these cover 99% of the bases.

I can't preview this post? so I hope it is right?
Here Goes?

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Originally Posted by Freddy

Rules that need attention is securing a supply line.
History shows that unless those are owned for the duration the success of one period won't carry over.

I am worried about talent being discarded for economics here.

Flame me but there is no need to explore beyond talent.

The sensation is already over, and now the dismal removal of options to compete with big industry is back in play.

You all forget too fast.

Federal laws and costly supply only apply to small fab shops, the larger operations have the market wired, and the portion of the small popular builder is to fuel the fire for the next round.

As public demand rises the opinions of venue specialists dims, If it works for you fine, but as it begins it will end as the public becomes aware.

The craft is outside of tech, it is a tech of it's own and with that it can provide, outside of of each venue it is just another bicycle.

May appeal to some but is still a red headed step child of those that spent the time and money to secure it as this years top article.

Sorry if I miss spelled here but there is no Lion here, take it from within if you can, take it from without if you have the resources.

All of your combined stuff is good, you choose?

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I've tried to read this twice, maybe three times.

I know what the words mean - individually - but when I put them all together I can't make sense of it.

Like Chewbacca living on Endor.

Conor

Conor, it is code? ATFO

Nostradamas with Venus Rising (Botticelli)

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Originally Posted by Freddy

We have been on it, 3 of the versions are done and Dave Bohm has them for sale.
No learning curve, works like LFB with paste and powder fluxes and a kicker to make it possible to use on SS.
More to come but it takes time, these cover 99% of the bases.

I can't preview this post? so I hope it is right?
Here Goes?

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Freddy, the LFB arrived yesterday. Thanks! Can't wait to try it. The fluxes arrived as well. Much obliged.

I am on it Zanc.
XOXO

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Originally Posted by conorb

I've tried to read this twice, maybe three times.

I know what the words mean - individually - but when I put them all together I can't make sense of it.

Like Chewbacca living on Endor.

Conor

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I stopped reading the words after a while and decided to FEEL the words... I think I get it now... :blink:

Chewbacca may not understand what the Ewoks are saying but I bet he knows when they're pissed off, or in this case cynically optimistic...?

Forget the words and feel filler!

Got to start playing with the new LFB and fluxes from Freddy. Neat stuff. Temp is obviously a little higher, but it feels much like Filet Pro silver, at the cost of LFB. I think that's very cool. :cheesy:

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Originally Posted by CyclesNoir

Forget the words and feel filler!

Got to start playing with the new LFB and fluxes from Freddy. Neat stuff. Temp is obviously a little higher, but it feels much like Filet Pro silver, at the cost of LFB. I think that's very cool. :cheesy:

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I can't tell from the Cycledesign site- does the LFB come with flux or is it seperate? The flux link wasn't working for me.

Chauncey Matthews ?

Yup? the website sucks, that is the only focus this week, to get it cleaned up.
Good news is all the products we designed are now fully available.
Give us a few more days to get those dead links and new pages done.

Meanwhile you can always call me at 520-364-1334 with questions, I get up about one hour before the chickens?
http://www.cycledesignusa.com/brazing_wire.htm

I'm really liking that new Lfb light I got last week. Much better than that funky first batch. I"m not sure what the deal is with the powdered flux though, is there something different about it or is it just another style of the same flux?

Powder flux is the most universal LFB flux used around the World
Paste is second.
Our paste is micro fine with a agent to make is stay where you put it.

The uses of the white power are endless, you just heat the rod and dip to use.
When small work or the need to add more flux is present.

Many builders that do LFB joining just use a flux box and warm the material to be joined and dip or scoop out the powder which sticks right on the job areas.

For small work powder is great, as you only need a tiny dip of it on the rod to complete the job.

The white versions will soak off in warm water very quickly so blasting and things to remove it are not needed.

Just Call me if you need any questions answered OK?
http://www.cycledesignusa.com/brazing_wire.htm

Freddy

"System 48"
Is now in stock, the first Silver with extended "Plastic Range" for lugged frame construction ever offered.

More details will be posted on the http://www.cycledesignusa.com/brazing_wire.htm web but here is a thumbnail.

"System 48" outperforms 56% by having the same ease of flow due to advanced eutectics and the companion flux.

Used as a system this allows zero to 12 thousands gap filling unlike the limit of 56 to fill up to about seven wihout risk of creep.

Risky attachments like canty's and seatstays are totally secure with the fillet ability of "System 48"

Now the total bicycle can be done with confidence and one simple to use flux and rod combination.

"System 48" was a joint project with Superior Flux to fine tune the the flo and adhesion and to reduce the creep that occurs with the popular 56%

Any lug combination cast or pressed is as simple as appling flux and feeding filler with confidence that what you see is what you get.

Safe low temp joining - zero distorsion - easy clean up and super strong.

You heard it first from the desk of Freddy Parr, but this alloy system belongs to Wade Barocsi, it was his idea, and it thrills me, get some !

Hi Freddy,
Thanks for all that you do. Your continued push to advance joining technology is simply tremendous. I'm really looking forward to trying the new System 48 materials. The increased gap filling capability sounds like a real advancement.
zank

Awesome Freddy! Question though: I used your Fillet Pro once to braze up a bottom head lug joint and felt like I needed to put more heat into the joint to get it to flow like 56. How does the 48 stuff compare? Does it have that range of plasticity but at a lower temp? Oh yeah and how much for 5 oz?

Thanks,
Hansen

Ok Hansen, here is the long version>>>
Fillet Pro is for Fillets - however several of our guys use it for SS lugs instead of 50N, Now that stated>>
System 48 flows like fifty six but you can back out the heat and make a very solid small fillet which cannot be formed as well with 56%.
The Secret is the micro -fined copper alloy and the way this wire is made, the flux creates a second eutectic that increases flow speed and allows feed control like as if you were using two alloys at once.

Many industrial step brazed joints do use two or more alloys at once to make near perfect joints.

So to sum this up, anything you can do easy with 56% "System 48" will work and feel the same. however it can fill larger gaps.
This method allows the builder to use the same alloy and flux for all of the frame construction using lugs.
"Fillet Pro" is for fillet work and this "System 48" will excel for joining SS lugs over any other product.

Did that answer your question, and it is in stock right now !

http://www.cycledesignusa.com/brazing_wire.htm

Guess I better use up my 56 real fast - thanks Freddy!

Freddy, Thanks for the silver, flux, support and development of our passion. Stay tuned. Ted LaComettebicycles

Thanks Ted, you guys are all special to me. And you Hansen,
My problem is that my health is not what it should be and this year I am taking some time off to take care of myself for a change.
I put everything on fast track so Dave Bohm and Wade B could take the helm.
I am going to put my old Classic Steel web back up on my personal website fredparr.com for info and fun.
I still can't meet Arizona insurance codes to hold formal classes here and it looks dismal that I will be able to.
The choice I had to make was to get all these improved products available or to use what little money I have to set up the school, the choice is done.
I will allow anyone to come and learn, but I can't insure them right now. Play with Freddy at home at your own risk, sorta deal.
System 48 will cost less than 56% but I don't even know how much we paid for it yet?
Wade will set a price in a few days. The bonus about this product is there will be almost no waste, very user easy and torch restrictive, where the heat goes the filler goes.
The eutectic is so close to 56% that most builders will not be able to tell and difference while brazing with it, nice easy to see through paste flux and lowest silver melt temp.
The extra history is that GP Wilson and I used the basic formula way back in the 1970's and now with the flux improvement it only made sense to re-issue it as I have made several hundred builds using the product in the past with a much tamer flux at the time. Tons of Bocama lugged road bikes that went out to club riders around California.
I still have one.
The builders needed a broad range cad-free filler all these years, but it required getting very serious with the Mill to get it made, the new version is made with finer metals and even easier to use.
Yesterday I made a custom batch of flux and it is being shipped to Wade, so all sales for this one needs to go through him, OK?
You all are always welcome to phone me or Wade.. I always have time for questions or just to chat.

Freddy
http://www.cycledesignusa.com/brazing_wire.htm

What's the deal with joining the group? Is it something I don't need to do just to buy more rod and flux?
And are you going to offer the LFB Light flux in a larger size?

Eric,
You did your best portion, of course you get all the support --thanks for all the help and honesty.
I can't do my job without your feedback, you complete the mission.
Good job !
http://www.cycledesignusa.com/brazing_wire.htm

This weeks news is we were able to lower costs on Stainless Light flux and others.
This is due to new arrangements to obtain supplies.

And remember, Stainless Light is also great for all types of steel - it speeds flow and increases adhesion with all brands of silver braze wire.