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Virus thread, the political one.
Wow did last night’s address go poorly.
Not only his affect (low energy, labored breathing, barely able to finish sentences and even words) but the content.
How many salient points had to be walked back? All travelers? Well not all travelers. Cargo? Not cargo. Whoever penned that address, rumored to be Stephen Miller and Jared Kushner, should be given a long time out.
"This is the most aggressive and comprehensive effort to confront a foreign virus in modern history."
Predictable use of the word foreign. Also a lie, predictably.
And the ban exempts the UK, where a certain family has several business interests. Predictable. A slap at the EU, predictably.
"We're having to fix a problem that four weeks ago nobody thought would be a problem."
Predictable, again, and demonstrably false. Next move, assign blame with shotgun and shovel responsibility onto states and cities. With bias toward those who vote blue.
Disaster, thy name is tRump.
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Re: Virus thread, the political one.
Opinion: he seems ill, and I hope he gets well.
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Originally Posted by
thollandpe
Wow did last night’s address go poorly.
Not only his affect (low energy, labored breathing, barely able to finish sentences and even words) but the content.
How many salient points had to be walked back? All travelers? Well not all travelers. Cargo? Not cargo. Whoever penned that address, rumored to be Stephen Miller and Jared Kushner, should be given a long time out.
"This is the most aggressive and comprehensive effort to confront a foreign virus in modern history."
Predictable use of the word foreign. Also a lie, predictably.
And the ban exempts the UK, where a certain family has several business interests. Predictable. A slap at the EU, predictably.
"We're having to fix a problem that four weeks ago nobody thought would be a problem."
Predictable, again, and demonstrably false. Next move, assign blame with shotgun and shovel responsibility onto states and cities. With bias toward those who vote blue.
Disaster, thy name is tRump.
Actually, I am waiting for the trial balloon on twitter- maybe elections need to be suspended.
Everything is floated as a trial balloon on twitter.
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Re: Virus thread, the political one.
It's seems clear to me that when it comes to a deadly virus, he's a dyed in the wool socialist that puts Bernie to shame.
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I think every politician's nightmare is walking to the podium wearing only his underwear and just when he thinks that is bad, he sees the folder in the podium with Stephen Miller's name on it.
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Trump: am I surrounded by yes men?
Yes men: yes
Trump: am I going to survive this?
Yes men: yes
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Originally Posted by
bigbill
I think every politician's nightmare is walking to the podium wearing only his underwear and just when he thinks that is bad, he sees the folder in the podium with Stephen Miller's name on it.
WE can hang.
Anytime Big man.
OK Todd, you called it buddy boy. This thread lives until Todd says it's done.
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Originally Posted by
bigbill
I think every politician's nightmare is walking to the podium wearing only his underwear and just when he thinks that is bad, he sees the folder in the podium with Stephen Miller's name on it.
theres only one politician who would consider hiring stephen miller, so this is all trump's worst nightmare.
This is showing that if it doesnt have to do directly with a money making scheme, DT has neither the ability nor interest. we got what we paid for, chinese made MAGA crap... lets buy a better model next time eh? one that at least tries to use the accessories it comes with?
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I am seeing Otello with Trump in the lead and Stephen Miller as Iago and Desdemona is everyone else.
As you can see, I think this thread should be the Viral Shakespearean thread.
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I posted a political thing in the other thread. Oops.
I think if you polled Americans today asked asked if we should have the election in two weeks, the overwhelming answer would be yes.
We're only another bad day or two on Wall Street for the markets to be where they were when Trump took office.
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Re: Virus thread, the political one.
Throttling unchecked flow of people from COVID-19 hotspots around the globe into our country makes sense.
It is akin to having all residents of a house comfortably in the home and locking the doors and windows.
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Blue Jays
Throttling unchecked flow of people from COVID-19 hotspots around the globe into our country makes sense.
It is akin to having all residents of a house comfortably in the home and locking the doors and windows.
Except it's being spread through community exposure now in the US, the hardest hit areas in Europe are already under self-imposed quarantines, and because our testing regimen has been a joke we have no idea what the largest vectors are right now. There was no discussion about how the federal government will respond if our healthcare system is overwhelmed with patients, which Italy went from where we are to totally swamped in two weeks. If they were more proactive, this would be shitty and it would suck but we'd all be dealing with it as a part of our modified day to day because, hey, the people in charge have got this. Instead there's panic and worry because the underlying feeling is the guys in charge pretty clearly don't got this.
This is more like running around after the horse is out and making sure the barn door is closed. We're way past that point.
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Chik
It's seems clear to me that when it comes to a deadly virus, he's a dyed in the wool socialist that puts Bernie to shame.
Most US citizens are; they just don't know it and would never admit it.
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I enjoy the Shakespeare idea. I think Reservoir Dogs may also be applicable.
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72gmc
I enjoy the Shakespeare idea. I think Reservoir Dogs may also be applicable.
Except all of these characters will demand to be Mr. White.
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Originally Posted by
Blue Jays
Throttling unchecked flow of people from COVID-19 hotspots around the globe into our country makes sense.
It is akin to having all residents of a house comfortably in the home and locking the doors and windows.
No, don't think so. To extend your metaphor, there are far too many houses that aren't locked down and show no signs of doing so.
Trump's grandstanding last night to block the "Chinese virus" from invading the US by stopping all flights from continental Europe (but not the UK!???) is ludicrous. That will have virtually no benefit unless accompanied by a lockdown of mobility in and near all affected areas. Despite the administration's aggressive attempt to limit testing and diagnosis, there's already enough known cases to confirm the US has started along an exponential contagion curve -- we're just 4-6 weeks behind Italy. Latest data in China, Iran, and Italy show Covid-19 cases doubling in 4-8 days in the absence of mobility restrictions.
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jclay
No, don't think so. To extend your metaphor, there are far too many houses that aren't locked down and show no signs of doing so.
Trump's grandstanding last night to block the "Chinese virus" from invading the US by stopping all flights from continental Europe (but not the UK!???) is ludicrous.
Nor to me, a US citizen who has been living full-time in France for 5 years. In the eyes of this virus, I'm as French as the man standing next to me, but I can get on a plane to the US anytime I want and he is banned from doing so.
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Re: Virus thread, the political one.
"foreign virus."
Idiotic.
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Originally Posted by
thollandpe
Opinion: he seems ill, and I hope he gets well.
times is reporting that...
Vice President Mike Pence warned that the United States will have thousands more cases and said that Americans returning from Europe would need to self-quarantine for 14 days.
RIGHT NOWA senior Brazilian official who was with President Trump at Mar-a-Lago days ago has tested positive for the virus, Brazilian media are reporting.
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Octave
Nor to me, a US citizen who has been living full-time in France for 5 years. In the eyes of this virus, I'm as French as the man standing next to me, but I can get on a plane to the US anytime I want and he is banned from doing so.
there has to be a plane to get on. flight options are going to be minimal moving forward.
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zachateseverything
there has to be a plane to get on. flight options are going to be minimal moving forward.
We're already booked for moving back from France to the US on the 18th of April, which will be 5 days after this ban ends (in theory, at least). My point was that it is another bizarre exemption to this "ban" which really means nothing if I can get on a plane to come to the US any time in the next 30 days while my labmate, who is not a US citizen, but with whom I spend every day, eat and shop in the same places...etc. is barred from entry. Viruses don't respect citizenship.
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I viewed last night's address the same as any other solicitation call.
The pompous, arrogant, ignorant, attitude address left me with the conclusion this guy cannot read. At least not anything past lower grade school level. Couple that with the inability to listen to smarter agencies and rely on gut feeling has developed into exactly what's happening now - a country without a leader. A country more interested in collecting a dollar than understanding and developing a better future.
Bright side to this virus; the cancellation of Trump's rally circus.
I'll just hang up now.
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If nothing else, this disease makes a case for a better social structure. The crisis puts to shame the "i am my own man and nobody has helped me on my way to greatness" attitude many americans seem to have. this crisis will require these "self made" men to rely on others. If nothing else, this nonsensical concept of the great American individual has to dissolve some and make way for a better sense of community. In the long run, i hope we can embrace a greater sense of community as a result of this scare, and realize that we can build a better social structure for humans, one that covers other stuff besides money, because this disease is showing us that our 401k doesnt mean as much as we thought, does it? it now seems a foolish thing to prioritize, no?
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Originally Posted by
Ras72
I viewed last night's address the same as any other solicitation call.
The pompous, arrogant, ignorant, attitude address left me with the conclusion this guy cannot read. At least not anything past lower grade school level. Couple that with the inability to listen to smarter agencies and rely on gut feeling feeling has developed into exactly what's happening now - a country without a leader. A country more interested in collecting a dollar than understanding and developing a better future.
Bright side to this virus; the cancellation of Trump's rally circus.
I'll just hang up now.
it was funny (not at all funny) that right at the beginning he tried to read words, and got them wrong often. Im glad im not the only one who noticed. you'd think context would allow him to say the right words, but hes not a bright human, im not actually sure hes human at all, just animatronics, thus the orange weird face.
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The claim that insurers have agreed to waive all co-payments for coronavirus treatments was in error.
An insurance industry spokesperson clarified that was for testing, not treatment. Big difference.
And isn't that even lessened in importance because we are woefully short of materials for the test?
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/62IC...per_capita.jpg
This administration is reading the script from a bad 70's disaster movie. Updated with snippets from the Chernobyl miniseries.
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Assuming we do not devolve into a true idiocracy, it is going to be fascinating to see what my children's high school text books say about this and the whole Trump presidency. That is about 8 years from now.
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mzilliox
it was funny (not at all funny) that right at the beginning he tried to read words, and got them wrong often. Im glad im not the only one who noticed. you'd think context would allow him to say the right words, but hes not a bright human, im not actually sure hes human at all, just animatronics, thus the orange weird face.
He's a germaphobe. My guess is he's really freaked out, and maybe took a little too much Xanax or something, and is extra mumbly.
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Cookietruck
RIGHT NOWA senior Brazilian official who was with President Trump at Mar-a-Lago days ago has tested positive for the virus, Brazilian media are reporting.
Trump was asked about this and replied, "I'm not concerned."
This is just the latest incident where I strongly disagree with the President.
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I don't know what all you snowflakes are stressing about. Jared wonder-boy Kushner will sort this out: Remember when there was discord in the Middle East and an Opioid Epidemic? Now you can't even FIND heroin and life in Gaza is all lollipops and rainbows.
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EDS
Assuming we do not devolve into a true idiocracy,.
This is assuming we are not already there!!
Seriously. Go watch the movie... if you haven't already seen it. It amazes me how many people are not capable of independent thought, only regurgitating what the internet machine tells them.
I genuinely fear for my children, but have hope that careful parenting will enable them to be part of the solution.
This forum is not a representative slice of America. I would venture to say that most on here, are at least 5 %'ers... in terms of education, if not more.
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Re: Virus thread, the political one.
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Originally Posted by
guido
"The starkly militaristic and nationalistic tone of the address sounded scary and ignorant and utterly inadequate at a time when the country is being radically upended, with travel halting, workplaces and schools shuttering, and hospitals bracing for impact."
Yet the bit in bold appears to resonate with some, no a lot, of people in your country. However, wearing a red hat and thumping your chest is not going to stop a virus entering your system and doing anything from killing you to giving you a sore throat and a bit of a cough. It's all vey odd. This is not a time to be militaristic and nationalistic. Rather, being communal and co-operating would be a preferable approach. Trump can get f*cked.
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Re: Virus thread, the political one.
Naval Academy spring break is extended two weeks. Now I need to figure out what the kid wants to do, he's in Pensacola with friends. He's in a cast from his bike crash and follow up surgery to get a plate on his radius. I'm in AZ, I hate the thought of either of us flying cross country.
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Hey all, a bit OT but the school closures that are happening and will likely sweep across America means that a lot of kids are gonna miss the only good meal they get all day (worldwide too). If you are able to (and we're an upscale cycling thread, so yeah most of us can...), please consider giving to your local food banks, YMCAs, churches (if that's your thing), etc. to help needy children and families make it through this.
A few other places to donate to:
No Kid Hungry
Donate Today
Feeding Children Everywhere
Feeding Children Everywhere | Together For a Hunger-Free World
If you're wondering whether schools near you are closed, or you want to give more targeted geographically, here's a map of school closures:
Map: Coronavirus and School Closures - Education Week
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Re: Virus thread, the political one.
Since it's politics. Compare Trump's address to Bernie's: science-based response, full mobilization of all medical personnel, guaranteed diagnosis and treatment regardless of finances, requiring pharma to distribute kits and treatments at cost, guaranteeing paid sick leave, guaranteed meal assistance to the elderly. IMO, if we can fund wars with emergency spending, as was done for Iraq and Afghanistan, we can do it for this.
Bernie Addresses the Nation on the Health and Economic Crisis - YouTube
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Originally Posted by
TheNerdyCyclist
Hey all, a bit OT but the school closures that are happening and will likely sweep across America means that a lot of kids are gonna miss the only good meal they get all day (worldwide too). If you are able to (and we're an upscale cycling thread, so yeah most of us can...), please consider giving to your local food banks, YMCAs, churches (if that's your thing), etc. to help needy children and families make it through this.
A few other places to donate to:
No Kid Hungry
Donate Today
Feeding Children Everywhere
Feeding Children Everywhere | Together For a Hunger-Free World
If you're wondering whether schools near you are closed, or you want to give more targeted geographically, here's a map of school closures:
Map: Coronavirus and School Closures - Education Week
Dude. I feel terrible for not even thinking about this aspect. Thanks for the links. This is definitely a worthy endeavor.
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Originally Posted by
thollandpe
Opinion: he seems ill, and I hope he gets well.
Word is that c19 is most dangerous to those who are already compromised...
Thoughts and prayers!
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