If you want to dump Trump....

Well, I pretty much disagree with everything you just said.

And the moment I can’t wait for, is when we return to a Democratic President and the conservatives start howling about deficit spending.

Far as I can tell, I’m also, “Good people. Working people.” (And as far as I can tell, there are a shit ton of good people who can’t/don’t work) And my perspective resonates with ~45-55% of the population. Let’s agree to disagree, and I’m officially blocking your posts, not because you are wrong...but because we are wasting our time.

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Well, I pretty much disagree with everything you just said.

And the moment I can’t wait for, is when we return to a Democratic President and the conservatives start howling about deficit spending.

Far as I can tell, I’m also, “Good people. Working people.” (And as far as I can tell, there are a shit ton of good people who can’t/don’t work) And my perspective resonates with ~45-55% of the population. Let’s agree to disagree, and I’m officially blocking your posts, not because you are wrong...but because we are wasting our time.

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Just remember, Republican voters think he's a greater President than Lincoln. The cult of personality is real.

Trump better than Lincoln? Republicans think so | YouGov

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Just remember, Republican voters think he's a greater President than Lincoln. The cult of personality is real.

Trump better than Lincoln? Republicans think so | YouGov

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Given the ambient level of racism in the GOP right now that is no surprise. How do they think he compares to Saint Ronald?

Fox bubble headed bleach blonde gushes: “After Iran the president turned his military genius to China’s trade policy!”
The audience: "Damn straight. The generals are dopes and babies. Trump conquers China! Trade wars are easy to win."

I don't think they covered Lev that day because "I don't know him at all, don't know what he's about, don't know where he comes from." And he wouldn't lie, you know.

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I’m officially blocking your posts, not because you are wrong...but because we are wasting our time.

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What patience! I blocked them long ago...

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I don't think they covered Lev that day because "I don't know him at all, don't know what he's about, don't know where he comes from." And he wouldn't lie, you know.

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This is not the round-headed boy’s first time under the bus. Lev brought a hydraulic jack. He sleeps with it. Dunno if it’s rated to lift this big a bus off him, though. We’ll see.

Nice job on the All She Wants To Do Is Dance reference.

It was actually Dirty Laundry. But all those Don Henley songs did sound alike.

We got the bubble-headed-bleach-blonde who
Comes on at five
She can tell you 'bout the plane crash with a gleam
In her eye
It's interesting when people die-
Give us dirty laundry

Oh, hey. Moscow Mitch wants the American public to watch the impeachment trial probably will be after midnight...probably on a Wednesday. Such an open and fair process. The Clinton model? Hardly.

What? We can block people? Fantastic
Im tired of nonsensical assumptions like people who dont like trump must be the recipients of good family fortune (like trump?) its yawn inducing and ridiculous

Click on their ID, then their profile, and find the link on the left that says “add to ignore list”

If you want to defeat Trump then read this article and start writing letters to newspapers and magazines all over the country, but especially in the important EC states, that addresses it's thrust:

'I'd like to vote Democratic': the swing voters who want a reason not to back Trump again | US news | The Guardian

This is my take-away summary of the article but read it yourself; you may glean additional perspective on the concerns of the people that we need to reach, and need to win:
1) Folks know that Trump is a huckster and liar and they'd prefer to vote democratic but they see/think that the job outlook and economy have improved.
2) They note that other countries have affordable healthcare for everybody and wonder why we can't copy and deploy the best one here?
3) They don't trust politicians,
4) But Bernie and Warren too socialist!

Clearly those issues need to be sussed out for them. In a nutshell I think of it thusly:
1) Look at the unemployment chart since, say, 2000 and note who's policies clearly did the heavy lift of reducing the UE rate. The decline in the UE rate and the sky high stock market valuations are based on Obama era actions. Trump didn't do it, he merely didn't change it. His other efforts, as they relate to regular working folks, have ranged from harming them to nibbling around the edges of existing programs while failing to address some of the emerging existential threats. There should be an economist on the Salon who can explain why continuing extremely low Fed rates is a long term terrible idea.
2) For affordable, national, cradle to grave healthcare Bernie and 'Liz propose a proven (here and abroad), cost effective (here and abroad) single payer system that already covers a large portion of our population. We have the system in place and operational and it wouldn't require replowing constitutional grounds to scale it up. Phase it in over a reasonable time frame so that insurance companies can adjust their biz models. Possibly subcontract to them to perform the administrative work since they would gradually be phased out of the underwriting.
3) They don't trust politicians and that includes Trump. Bernie's message has been consistent for ever, 'Liz makes sense and both have been walking the trust talk for a long time. Neither propose turning our economy into a socialist construct. Medicare didn't make us a socialist state as was asserted back in the day and making it the basis of a tax funded national healthcare system won't do it either. Support for unions, vastly higher taxes on billionaires and sensible regulation of industry, the financial world and environment won't do it either but those things will help working folks. And we'll still retain an enormous and beneficial capitalistic engine...but better regulated (like reinstating Glass Steagal, protecting the environment and workers).
4) If you want the benefits to society of healthcare for all, unions, a military and an economy that results in a wide distribution of wealth (which is what made the USA the envy of much of the world when I was a kid) then you intrinsically support, and we require, a fair chunk of our economic activity to be based on public programs, AKA "socialized" activities, along with well regulated capitalism. That doesn't make us a socialist state. It makes us a better version of what we already are!
5) Bern and 'Liz's proposals address all of the above and have done for a long time. They aren't "commies".

Rather than utterly wasting your time arguing with Trump supporters here or anywhere else, spend your efforts advancing those ideas, and others that are key, everywhere you can. Or work to get folks registered. The types of folks in the interview are the people that are available to win over. Die-hard Trump supporters are not. Newspapers from small & rural through large and cosmopolitan need to be running cogent pieces on this stuff, or we lose, and the USA loses.

Now, go get to it.

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...He ushered in some of the best economic numbers in history with his tax cuts, trade policy, and deregulation. He reset the trade relationship with China through strength, we’ve been told to simply accept that the trade relations with China will always be unfair. He reset the relationship with the Middle East after the last president drew a red line then didn’t react when it was crossed. He has dramatically reduced illegal immigration. Record stock market highs.

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Start with the record stock market- how does that end well? It’s not because of record company earnings - it’s just increasing PE ratios. Which people will pay because the Fed rate is so low (although Trump says it’s way higher than it should be) so cash on deposit is killing them.

Tax cuts? Firstly, I never understood why he did them when he did them rather than in the lead up to the election. It seems like the sugar hit was given too early to me. But my real issue is the US can’t afford them. The Republicans seem to be pretty good at controlling Democrat spending but they’ve been lousy at controlling Republican spending. So now that debt doesn’t matter - how do Republicans control Democrat spending in the future? As a country you spend more than you earn. While the economy is benefiting from all Trump’s genius. So let’s say you have a recession - what’s the plan then? The Fed is maxed out. The government has no money. I mean really look at US historic debt levels. It was higher after the Second World War - but not by much. If GDP shrinks - which is why they call it a recession - it won’t look too clever.

Buy gold is the only answer i’ve got. But “record stock market”. That’s one of my pet hates. If it were record company earnings, I’d have no issue. But it’s just people paying more to buy the same earnings. It’s not rational.

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The strongest we’ve seen as president for quite some some time. He will be re-elected for a 2nd term. He ushered in some of the best economic numbers in history with his tax cuts, trade policy, and deregulation. He reset the trade relationship with China through strength, we’ve been told to simply accept that the trade relations with China will always be unfair. He reset the relationship with the Middle East after the last president drew a red line then didn’t react when it was crossed. He has dramatically reduced illegal immigration. Record stock market highs.

Maybe these things aren’t important to you, but to most folks jobs, opportunity, increased wages, growing 401k are the foundation of their lives and the lives of their families. Maybe you’re the recipient of tremendous opportunity & privilege that these things aren’t important to you. Kudos to you and/or your family that put you in a position where these are not a very high priority in your life.

But they are to most people. Good people. Working people.

You’re entitled to your opinions, but the blind hatred of trump since the moment he was elected reeks of indoctrination and entitlement.

But look on the bright side, all of the hatred & efforts don’t seem to be affecting his ability to achieve results or his re-election chances. So let me know how that works out for you.

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Good on ya. Don’t let pesky facts get in the way of a cult narrative!

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Start with the record stock market- how does that end well? <snip>
Tax cuts? <snip>
It’s not rational.

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Are you saying the the economy is juiced?

That the pyramid is upside down and the base is weak?

That things will crumble and crumble quickly?

I thought that manufacturing was coming back. He promised.

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Good on ya. Don’t let pesky facts get in the way of a cult narrative!

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Good on you for posting a meaningless quip as a response and pretending it made sense.

Are the ‘pesky facts’ in your reality that unemployment is up? Wages are down? Opportunity is down? The market is down? Taxes are up? Really?

Oh, those pesky "prophets of doom."

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......and I’m officially blocking your posts....

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Someone got triggered! Maybe I'll include a trigger-warning next time.

I understand that being tolerant of differing points of view can disrupt the Celebration of Groupthink in the Echo Chamber.

Being tolerant of different opinions and being open minded isn't for everybody, but as you show its easy to insulate yourself from such things.

^ i'm not sure he can see what you just wrote...

also, it's cute that you are the one that started the impeachement thread when you obviously don't like everyone's strong opposing opinions and lack of open mindedness.

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Oh, those pesky "prophets of doom."

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Another guy called them "nattering nabobs of negativism".

Besides the pithy quote, he was known for criminal conspiracy, bribery, extortion, and tax fraud. I'm seeing a theme.

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Someone got triggered! Maybe I'll include a trigger-warning next time.

I understand that being tolerant of differing points of view can disrupt the Celebration of Groupthink in the Echo Chamber.

Being tolerant of different opinions and being open minded isn't for everybody, but as you show its easy to insulate yourself from such things.

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Glenn, I read what you write with interest. I am of open mind. This is not an echo chamber, though it may sound that way to you because there is something of unanimity in opposition to the blizzard of bs that emanates from this administration. The legal objection issued prior to the trial is a case in point: 110 pages of blather surrounding a pithy nugget of certifiable hogwash.

Charles 1 was beheaded for what this administration is asserting. The roots of our democratic process are founded in the principles which were at issue in the English Civil War. Let's not fight it again.