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Hey Dave :) Love it love it love it.
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http://i.imgur.com/drJH8up.jpg
Looking forward to some quality saddle time this weekend and the prep is almost as fun as the ride.
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Wow. You are good. I'm loving every detail.
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rwsaunders
Looking forward to some quality saddle time this weekend and the prep is almost as fun as the ride.
I agree, waking a bike up from its winter sleep and getting it ready to do its business is a kind of Zen.
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http://i.imgur.com/SNC1Pjo.jpg
Mrs. RW's townie is treated with some Too Tall Texas Tea.
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Oh wow another great shot. I might have appropriate that with your permission
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New O.T. Use for NFS!
Just implemented a new use for NFS; lightbulb thread greasing. Here in coastal Baja it's getting warmer by the day and soon summer will be here. So will the rainy and hurricane seasons. Anything outside will bear the brunt of the humid salty air that will be here for months. In a stroke of brilliance, while prepping our house here for the six months we'll be back in the states, after breaking many bulbs when trying to remove them, I now apply a very thin coating of NFS to the threads on the bulbs base then screw then into the fixture. A dime'l get you donuts that I'll have no problems unscrewing the bulbs when I return in six months.
Full after-action report in November. 👌
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!!!!!!!
PS !!!!!!
Hey Dave, you are awesome but let me send you a sample of the NFS+ NePlusUltra. That has similar thermal breakdown properties and is 100% biodegradable thus I have less issues with use inside the house + some moderate heat.
Don't mind me, I'm a worry-wart.
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Dave Thompson
Just implemented a new use for NFS; lightbulb thread greasing. Here in coastal Baja it's getting warmer by the day and soon summer will be here. So will the rainy and hurricane seasons. Anything outside will bear the brunt of the humid salty air that will be here for months. In a stroke of brilliance, while prepping our house here for the six months we'll be back in the states, after breaking many bulbs when trying to remove them, I now apply a very thin coating of NFS to the threads on the bulbs base then screw then into the fixture. A dime'l get you donuts that I'll have no problems unscrewing the bulbs when I return in six months.
Full after-action report in November.
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Originally Posted by
Too Tall
!!!!!!!
PS !!!!!!
Hey Dave, you are awesome but let me send you a sample of the NFS+ NePlusUltra. That has similar thermal breakdown properties and is 100% biodegradable thus I have less issues with use inside the house + some moderate heat.
Don't mind me, I'm a worry-wart.
Thanks Josh but to quote Robert Duval: "I love the smell of NFS in the morning."
I will take you up on your generous offer when I get I'm in the states next month and bring it back down in November.
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Josh,
When I got my first order of NFS from you, I bought way more than it turns out I needed in the short term - I got two bottles. Now that I am about to dip into that second bottle I was wondering if NFS has any kind of shelf life limitations? Do I just need to give it a shake and go? Is there any breakdown that will occur as it sits on the shelf?
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NFS and NFS+ both will not separate and have a shelf life of at least two years. Even after two years it will be very good.
Sigh, I really do have a terrible business model ;)
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bdaghisallo
Josh,
When I got my first order of NFS from you, I bought way more than it turns out I needed in the short term - I got two bottles. Now that I am about to dip into that second bottle I was wondering if NFS has any kind of shelf life limitations? Do I just need to give it a shake and go? Is there any breakdown that will occur as it sits on the shelf?
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I've started using mine to quiet down the neighborhood swings just so I can work my way through that first bottle.
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Matt, you got me thinking. Maybe I will start adding a empty sample bottle option on check out. I carry one because I cant stand hearing others dry chains.
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Josh,
What are you recommending for DT 240 ratchets these days - NFS lube or the Race Grease, or a combination of the two?
Does NFS act to thin the Race Grease when they are mixed? Or should it be used to thin it?
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Funny but true story. I have gotten several of the younger people at work to start riding. I keep a bottle of Rock N Roll on my desk for them to use before our PM rides. Young APM asked if he could borrow some chain lube and as I reached for the bottle he said " Can I use the good stuff you keep in your drawer?" I have spoiled them.
Mike
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When I service my personal DT hubs I use a very thin coat of Race Grease. There are Pro wrenches who swear by straight NFS and they get good results. Do not use NFS to thin Race Grease unless your intention is to free the bearings on a 60 year old horizontal mill. It won't hurt but it does confuse the matter. Bottomline: think coat of Race Grease or NFS. Maybe I'd give the performance edge to straight NFS but I suspect you and a good lab would be hard pressed to prove it.
The reason straight NFS works so well in this situation is it's ability to not run out of small spaces. NFS is not sticky, let me be clear...it is just d@mn good at staying where it is put.
HAHA Mike, nurturing future Elitist MoFos is not a bad thing. Kudos.
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Originally Posted by
bdaghisallo
Josh,
What are you recommending for DT 240 ratchets these days - NFS lube or the Race Grease, or a combination of the two?
Does NFS act to thin the Race Grease when they are mixed? Or should it be used to thin it?
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Originally Posted by
Too Tall
When I service my personal DT hubs I use a very thin coat of Race Grease. There are Pro wrenches who swear by straight NFS and they get good results. Do not use NFS to thin Race Grease unless your intention is to free the bearings on a 60 year old horizontal mill. It won't hurt but it does confuse the matter. Bottomline: think coat of Race Grease or NFS. Maybe I'd give the performance edge to straight NFS but I suspect you and a good lab would be hard pressed to prove it.
The reason straight NFS works so well in this situation is it's ability to not run out of small spaces. NFS is not sticky, let me be clear...it is just d@mn good at staying where it is put.
HAHA Mike, nurturing future Elitist MoFos is not a bad thing. Kudos.
Thanks Josh. I appreciate the advice.
Another data point I can add is that straight NFS lube works great on the pawls of a White Ind T11 freehub, and does a much better job than the white grease they come with from the factory.
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Myself and a real nice guy I know who makes awesome wheels have been pitching to them for three years and nada.
Change in a production environment is not something you do without alot of consideration and I appreciate that (grumble).
What's a brother got to do????
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Originally Posted by
bdaghisallo
Thanks Josh. I appreciate the advice.
Another data point I can add is that straight NFS lube works great on the pawls of a White Ind T11 freehub, and does a much better job than the white grease they come with from the factory.
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Too Tall
Myself and a real nice guy I know who makes awesome wheels have been pitching to them for three years and nada.
Change in a production environment is not something you do without alot of consideration and I appreciate that (grumble).
What's a brother got to do????
tall man.., (RACE GREASE)
this potion is household addictive too..
just put some on home door hinges and keepers/locks --- now all fit like a babes bottle nipple..
ronnie with a smile
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Originally Posted by
Too Tall
Myself and a real nice guy I know who makes awesome wheels have been pitching to them for three years and nada.
Change in a production environment is not something you do without alot of consideration and I appreciate that (grumble).
What's a brother got to do????
Were you pitching for bearing grease or for the pawl lubricant, or both? And what were you proposing to use for the pawls? Curious if it's what I am doing.
I just put some Race Grease on my DT ratchets and we'll see how it goes. It has passed the workstand test with flying colors!
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Pitching Race grease. The product they use is very similar to the gold standard I sought to improve when I was devising Race Grease. Think about it....there are only a few safe solid greases we trust right?
Race Grease is a huge improvement on a product which probably did not need a replacement. Raising the bar means fewer problems with grease failure in extreme conditions, greater time to failure eg people fail to do any maintenance blah blah blah.
Tough sell
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Originally Posted by
bdaghisallo
Were you pitching for bearing grease or for the pawl lubricant, or both? And what were you proposing to use for the pawls? Curious if it's what I am doing.
I just put some Race Grease on my DT ratchets and we'll see how it goes. It has passed the workstand test with flying colors!
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Interesting. Thanks Josh.
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Originally Posted by
Too Tall
Pitching Race grease. The product they use is very similar to the gold standard I sought to improve when I was devising Race Grease. Think about it....there are only a few safe solid greases we trust right?
Race Grease is a huge improvement on a product which probably did not need a replacement. Raising the bar means fewer problems with grease failure in extreme conditions, greater time to failure eg people fail to do any maintenance blah blah blah.
Tough sell
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Originally Posted by
bdaghisallo
Were you pitching for bearing grease or for the pawl lubricant, or both? And what were you proposing to use for the pawls? Curious if it's what I am doing.
I just put some Race Grease on my DT ratchets and we'll see how it goes. It has passed the workstand test with flying colors!
Having put a few hours on my 240s hub with NFS Race Grease in it, I can report that it is working much better than the standard DT ratchet grease. Every DT hub I have owned has had the DT grease in there and they always make a wah wah wah sound as they freewheel, almost as if the grease is not getting distributed evenly inside the hub. With the Race Grease, the only sound you get is a long waaaaaaaaah and it rolls really well.
NFS - it just f*cking works!
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Right the eff on.
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Originally Posted by
bdaghisallo
Having put a few hours on my 240s hub with NFS Race Grease in it, I can report that it is working much better than the standard DT ratchet grease. Every DT hub I have owned has had the DT grease in there and they always make a wah wah wah sound as they freewheel, almost as if the grease is not getting distributed evenly inside the hub. With the Race Grease, the only sound you get is a long waaaaaaaaah and it rolls really well.
NFS - it just f*cking works!
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Feeling ready to taste the Kool-Aid. Do you have any distributors in Australia with a web store? The Xtreme cycle skate website is dead. I have a feeling the proprietor of said shop is lurking on here...
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Vandenberg
Feeling ready to taste the Kool-Aid. Do you have any distributors in Australia with a web store? The Xtreme cycle skate website is dead. I have a feeling the proprietor of said shop is lurking on here...
That's your best shot for local. I do free shipping anywhere with a $30 min. purchase.
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Another data point -
Over the last year I have been using a set of Mavics that have their "new" freehub which is essentially the DT star system.
A couple of weeks ago I was cleaning it for the first time in ~5,000 miles and put some NFS grease in.
I don't know how sensitive the DT mechanisms are, but the Mavic version is very sensitive to too much grease. The freehub will not freewheel freely :)
The test - Put the bike on a stand, crank up the back wheel, let go of the crank, watch the crank keep spinning. If you hold the crank while the wheel is spinning, the chain goes slack in a big way. If this happens you have too much grease in there.
A very small amount goes a long way and keep things spinning freely.
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Bewheels
Another data point -
Over the last year I have been using a set of Mavics that have their "new" freehub which is essentially the DT star system.
A couple of weeks ago I was cleaning it for the first time in ~5,000 miles and put some NFS grease in.
I don't know how sensitive the DT mechanisms are, but the Mavic version is very sensitive to too much grease. The freehub will not freewheel freely :)
The test - Put the bike on a stand, crank up the back wheel, let go of the crank, watch the crank keep spinning. If you hold the crank while the wheel is spinning, the chain goes slack in a big way. If this happens you have too much grease in there.
A very small amount goes a long way and keep things spinning freely.
As a follow up to this. Brian subsequently lubed with NFS chainlube and it works great :) I DO recommend either NFS (perfect everytime regardless of how much you use) or Race Grease smeared on as a thin film (no visible globs). Both methods work, one requires a light touch.
Thank Brian, always good to hear.
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I've been really happy with NFS on my MTB. I moved last year and my previous method wasn't cutting it anymore in this new climate. I just got done cleaning my extremely dirty 29er but was impressed with the state of the drivetrain. Despite the rest of the bike being covered with dirt the cassette and chain were in very good condition.
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Originally Posted by
bdaghisallo
Having put a few hours on my 240s hub with NFS Race Grease in it, I can report that it is working much better than the standard DT ratchet grease. Every DT hub I have owned has had the DT grease in there and they always make a wah wah wah sound as they freewheel, almost as if the grease is not getting distributed evenly inside the hub. With the Race Grease, the only sound you get is a long waaaaaaaaah and it rolls really well.
NFS - it just f*cking works!
I picked up a new set of wheels with 240 hubs last spring. My first experince with DT. Had to swap out the free hub for Campy. Didn't want to wait for the DT grease, so I installed the new freehub with a very light amount of NFS Race Grease. About 750 miles in, this is by far the quietest hub I've got, including Campy, Mavic, and Royce.
Like, stealthy quiet. Standard pawls.
Are all DT hubs like this?
I suspect that NFS has something to do with it...
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i love me some NFS!
New bike. New build. Deserves the best.
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Nice work Dave. You went wide with the wrap. That is how I like it. That gives me excellent contact with the bars.
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TTX1
Like, stealthy quiet. Standard pawls.
Are all DT hubs like this?
I suspect that NFS has something to do with it...
I'd venture to say it has everything to do with it. My 240s with 36t rings are noisy, those with 18t are less, and 18t with NFS is really nice. It's also nice to not have deep, echo-ey carbon rims that resonate.
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I'd venture to say it has everything to do with it. My 240s with 36t rings are noisy, those with 18t are less, and 18t with NFS is really nice. It's also nice to not have deep, echo-ey carbon rims that resonate.
If I could only convince White Industries of the same. I make a pitch every year. NFS + White Industries is a match made in heaven, they just don't know it.
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ericpmoss
My 240s with 36t rings are noisy
Thread drift: That's odd, I have four sets of wheels with DT 240s hubs and they are all by far the quietest hubs in the house. (Compared to Cole, Mavic, or Shimano.)
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Bob Ross
Thread drift: That's odd, I have four sets of wheels with DT 240s hubs and they are all by far the quietest hubs in the house. (Compared to Cole, Mavic, or Shimano.)
They are pretty quiet Bob.
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Too Tall
If I could only convince White Industries of the same. I make a pitch every year. NFS + White Industries is a match made in heaven, they just don't know it.
Josh,
Ihave a new set of White T11 hubbed wheels awiating me at home when I get back from NY. I have another set of T11's that I stripped out the stock white grease from and re-lubed with NFS chain lube. On this new pair I am going to use the NFS grease and compare. I am anticipating the same great performance with a little less pawl noise. I will report my findings in due course.
Geoff
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bdaghisallo
Josh,
Ihave a new set of White T11 hubbed wheels awiating me at home when I get back from NY. I have another set of T11's that I stripped out the stock white grease from and re-lubed with NFS chain lube. On this new pair I am going to use the NFS grease and compare. I am anticipating the same great performance with a little less pawl noise. I will report my findings in due course.
Geoff
You are awesome and you know who to tell.
My intention is to improve their product and gain brand recognition.
Hey White Industries, happy birthday I'll GIVE you enough Race Grease to prove it is much better than what you are currently using.
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Tommy Barse @ Cutlass Velo is a Baltimore wheelbuilding maven AND his dad owns one of the best breweries on the planet win win right? I'm always impressed with Tommy's technical skills but it is his work ethic that really makes me sing his praises. Anywho, one of our tandem wheels split and Tommy is giving it the Midnight special. Clean and tune the AWESOME DT540 hub and rebuild with a Velocity Chukker and....Race Grease of course. Tommy removes factory grease from W.I. and DT hubs and replaces it with Race Grease when customers ask for the quietest possible setup. Putting a solid grease into spaces where pawls and ring drive must operate without sticking is no joke. Use the wrong stuff and you will have a bad day. Race Grease is going to give you alot of good days ;)
If you are local or just want to work with someone I like for building and wheel upgrades/conversions talk to Tommy:
Cutlass Velo - Home | Facebook
PS - We have some insanely good wheelbuilders here on V and I'll will call you out by name. Go nuts, we are the lucky ones.
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Too Tall
Tommy Barse @ Cutlass Velo is a Baltimore wheelbuilding maven AND his dad owns one of the best breweries on the planet win win right? I'm always impressed with Tommy's technical skills but it is his work ethic that really makes me sing his praises. Anywho, one of our tandem wheels split and Tommy is giving it the Midnight special. Clean and tune the AWESOME DT540 hub and rebuild with a Velocity Chukker and....Race Grease of course. Tommy removes factory grease from W.I. and DT hubs and replaces it with Race Grease when customers ask for the quietest possible setup. Putting a solid grease into spaces where pawls and ring drive must operate without sticking is no joke. Use the wrong stuff and you will have a bad day. Race Grease is going to give you alot of good days ;)
If you are local or just want to work with someone I like for building and wheel upgrades/conversions talk to Tommy:
Cutlass Velo - Home | Facebook
PS - We have some insanely good wheelbuilders here on V and I'll will call you out by name. Go nuts, we are the lucky ones.
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I am honored to be mentioned! Thanks, Josh! The experience I have with Race Grease is always good. I use it on loose ball set-ups as well. I overhauled a Record hub for a rebuild last week and it was butter. For the White Industries design I like to use a healthy drop where the pawl sits in the groove as well as where the leaf spring sits. Then I use my DualCo grease gun and put the Race Grease in all the right spots. Reduced drag never felt so good.