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How do you get there from what I said?????Quote:
Originally Posted by Cookietruck
Of course not.
Not all policeman single out blacks for inquiry and are more likely to shoot a black. But denying that there may be some cultural issues with the police community that need to be addressed is silly.
People are upset with those remarks because they are a false comparision. It also is a cheap shot soundbite, that neglects to represent the situation in that region at the time as well as the events that led up to the crusades. It also doesn't reflect the current state of affairs and the events happening in real time.Quote:
Originally Posted by davids
So you think that was intended to "excuse or rationalize" ISIS's, Al Qaeda's, etc. actions?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daltex
In what respect is comparing the Crusades with ISIS's behavior a false comparison? Both use religious doctrine to justify, and even glorify, extreme atrocities. I've got some stories about what the Crusaders did to my ancestors in case you doubt their bloodthirsty cruelty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Will Neide
I disagree thatt he problem is Islam. ISIS is made up of evil dudes, and they are gonna be just as evil regardless of their religion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daltex
Is there some fucked up shit in Islamic scripture? Hell yes there is, but there is much of the same fucked up shit in the Old Testament.
The thing is, people have free will. The members of ISIS can choose tto live in peace just as 99.99% of the other Muslims and Christians in the world do. "Mohammed made me do it" is a bullshit excuse.
That being said Glenn, I still love you. Just not as I love myself, IYKWIM;)
One thing is for sure. Isis will drive us to be as brutal as they are and both sides will feel morally justified doing it and eventually it will be as one vietnam vet on this forum says.."there is no right, there is no wrong, it's just who is left". I don't know that we have much choice and that's really sad. And if anyone thinks there are many in mainstream Christianity who don't think this is proof of end times prophecy you are just as naive as you claim others to be. There are many who will gladly take up this holy war with their sons leading the way. Hell, in Alabama the Chief Justice is still fighting the civil war.
Their are 31,173 verses in the old and new testaments, most would consider Christian doctrine coming from the new testament . If you really want a answer addressing your question, you will have to be more specific as to what "scriptures" you are referring to. Chapter and verse would be helpful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cookietruck
I've got minimal interest in going down this road. It's a race to the bottom to see who can "out do" the other with stories of atrocities. I'm familiar with your stories.Quote:
Originally Posted by davids
I love you more than you love me. That's apparent.Quote:
Originally Posted by edoz
People do what they do. There is no sort of mind control.
But there is no denying that THIS religion inspires a grossly disproportionate amount of terrorism, violence, and heinous oppression of women & gays, etc.
Take terrorism out of it. I'm not a fan simply based on its stone age views of women, gays, and religious freedoms.
The tense of your chosen verb is the operative thing here: ISIS is using, the Crusaders used. As in, a really, really long time ago. I'm no religious scholar, but I'm pretty sure every other major religion has evolved with modern times to a large degree. At let's not forget, ISIS is just the (most flamboyantly awful) flavor of the month. Killing in the name of Islam, by lots of different groups, has been going on for a long time now during modern times.Quote:
Originally Posted by davids
The beauty of all this is we can still disagree with each other civilly without fear of having our heads removed.
Some of the problem is America views many of these issues as good vs evil, which simplifies the situation and never seems to get to the root cause.Quote:
Originally Posted by edoz
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, so after 100+ years maybe America will be better off just sitting this one out. We aren't going to do your dirty bombing work, we aren't going to train your soldiers, go ahead have at it. (It is important the West doesn't give asylum to the elite of the affected countries. They have to stay too)
No way.......because THIS time it's going to fix everything......Quote:
Originally Posted by vertical_doug
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Originally Posted by vertical_doug
In theory I'm with ya. Let's just get out and let them have at it. Our dependence on Saudi oil won't allow us to sit by and watch though. I'm guessing we are the Saudi guards, so to speak, and with ISIS undoubtedly eyeing up Mecca and Medina, and the Sunni Saudi army questionable in strength, the Saudi royals to a great extent rely on us as we do them. They have already requested more US support, so I think that speaks volumes. ISIS wants, no... NEEDS, to occupy those two major cities.
I heard an interesting interview with a prison warden who noted that Islam was becoming the philosophy of the oppressed. He likened it to Marxism/Communism in the 1950's-70's. It was interesting though I've got nothing to back up the assertion.
The three ISIS bottom brackets I've owned were pure evil.
Because of shale, our imports are declining. As of Nov 2014, we only imported 1.5mm b from that area. This is easily replaceable from non-opec, canada and domestic production. Obviously Europe, Japan and China do not have this luxury, but every war has collateral damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Will Neide
naw, i don't really have any interest in any testament old or new.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Modern, religion-inspired violence around the world...
Violent Buddists- July 2014:
A Coordinated Extremist Buddhist Network Is Sowing Hatred Across Asia
Active Christian militant group:
State Dept. Spokeswoman: 'Christian Militant Group' Among 'Extremist Threats We Face' | CNS News
Extremist Jews:
Racist Jewish Group Offers Dilemma to Israel as Anti-Arab Violence Rises – Forward.com
Violent Mormon fundamentalists:
Mormon Fundamentalism and Violence: A Historical Analysis
Violent athiest:
Chapel Hill Muslim Murders Show Atheism Has Violent Extremists Too | The New Republic
The moral of the story is that you can't pigeonhole crazy.
oh my curiosity got the better of me.
Violent passages in the Koran and the Bible - The Boston Globe
once again, this isn't a problem with religion.
could it be somewhat political and have something to do with destabilization and western influence?
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It's wholly and unequivocally intellectually dishonest to draw a moral equivalency between these statistically invisible events and the ongoing, organized, well financed onslaught of Islamic terrorism.Quote:
Originally Posted by miwuksurfer