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    Default Re: XTR M9100 1X12 stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by watchcwgo View Post
    cracked freehubs on xt/slx thru axle hubs).
    I'd love to be able to sell Shimano hubs again - when the production went to Malaysia it was a huge gift to the boutique hub market as far as sales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fortyfour View Post
    Not sure what you mean by this? Are you speaking about the aesthetics in general or the actual design of the new M9100? (Or did you actually mean R9100?)

    9100 road group hasn’t been a homerun




    FYI to all: Just be patient. Shimano will get it right. The design in practice is just proving to have some difficulties. They'll figure it out but it's just going to take some extra time. Rome wasn't built in a day as they say.

    The new XTR M9100 kit overall is pretty amazing. I'm really looking forward to running the drivetrain especially and seeing how the new brakes perform vs the previous generation which I really loved.
    New brakes are great. What I want more than anything are m9100 levers with my m8020 or whatever the 4 pot xt brakes are calipers
     

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    New hub is more expensive than a 350 or hope. I think it will be good but those are proven options
     

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    Default Re: XTR M9100 1X12 stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by andrew flowers View Post
    New brakes are great. What I want more than anything are m9100 levers with my m8020 or whatever the 4 pot xt brakes are calipers
    The M9100's come in two versions: Race (BR-M9100) and Enduro (BR-M9120).

    The M9120 are 4 piston and look to be improved braking power since the older "Trail" versions were still 2 piston.

    Review of both versions here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew flowers View Post
    New hub is more expensive than a 350 or hope. I think it will be good but those are proven options
    That's the hard sell - "You can get Shimano or you can get (insert boutique hub maker here) you make the call"

    It used to be you had a Shimano hubset until you were just plain sick of it or they introduced more cogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fortyfour View Post
    The M9100's come in two versions: Race (BR-M9100) and Enduro (BR-M9120).

    The M9120 are 4 piston and look to be improved braking power since the older "Trail" versions were still 2 piston.

    Review of both versions here.
    New 4 piston uses the same pad as current 2 piston xtr. 2 piston uses road pads. My current calipers are the rebranded saint ones and I’d rather hold on to them. Current brakes are heavier, but bigger pads bigger piston.

    New lever has that sweet bar brace to stop them flexing under hard braking
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve garro View Post
    That's the hard sell - "You can get Shimano or you can get (insert boutique hub maker here) you make the call"

    It used to be you had a Shimano hubset until you were just plain sick of it or they introduced more cogs.

    - Garro.
    I think the plan is that the new hubs are better than a hope or 350

    Shimano had a long bit dedicated to explaining why the ultra low drag worked, and also whyanythibg over 48pt engagement was bad on modern full suspension bikes. Apparently pedal kick back is a problem
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew flowers View Post
    New 4 piston uses the same pad as current 2 piston xtr.
    From what I've read and heard, the M9120 (4 piston) uses the same pad shape as the Saint brakes and shares the same piston dimensions as Saint while the M9100 brakes pads are technically a bit smaller than the current M9000 versions.

    You can apparently swap either lever style between M9100 and M9120's.
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    I’ll look into it. From what I recall from the tech demo the xc brake uses the pad from r9120 and the 4 pot is the current xtr pad
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew flowers View Post
    I’ll look into it. From what I recall from the tech demo the xc brake uses the pad from r9120 and the 4 pot is the current xtr pad
    XC brake uses the K-series (road) pad. Trail brake uses a Saint-sized pad, but the XTR pads won't fit Saint (likely because of the shape of the fins) and I assume is lighter (aluminum-backed?).
     

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    Default Re: XTR M9100 1X12 stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by andrew flowers View Post
    I’ll look into it. From what I recall from the tech demo the xc brake uses the pad from r9120 and the 4 pot is the current xtr pad
    BR-M9120's pad and fin are completely different in shape/design from the current XTR M9000 pads. (The part number is N04C.) Reference image here. Pretty close to the Saint pads but the cooling fin is specific to the XTR caliper I believe.

    The review I linked to up above speaks to it's added power. I never felt as though the current M9000's didn't have enough power or were flexy however. I did like the carbon levers in cold weather.
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    Thanks for sharing the article.

    It stinks they're holding shipping drivetrains till their crank production is finalized/resolved but what can I do? Sit and wait till they get it right.

    Glad they have a 12 speed 10-45t cassette though (which explains the cancelation of parts on my pre-order on the OE side). Not sure I need that 50 for how/what I'm riding...
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    Hub issue has been rumored a while. Crank is the fire issue from last year. Kinda sad the enduro group got cancelled
     

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    I have a buddy with new build ready and currently useless I9 wheels with a proprietary freehub and no other drivetrain parts.

    Who's taking bets on how March becomes April, becomes May, becomes "who knows"?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkC View Post
    I have a buddy with new build ready and currently useless I9 wheels with a proprietary freehub and no other drivetrain parts.

    Who's taking bets on how March becomes April, becomes May, becomes "who knows"?
    XD driver available for that I9 hub? Slap it on, grab a SRAM 12 cassette and build the bike up.
     

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    I feel like I got blueballed by Shimano... ironic that their logo is blue. The newer Sram drivetrains are really, really good. I don't like the brakes but that's personal... generally folks either like the big red S or the big blue S for brakes, and hate the feel of the other.

    Anyway, this read is also interesting: Being Frank – David vs. Goliath vs. David - Cane Creek Cycling Components
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by chasea View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpeedyChix View Post
    XD driver available for that I9 hub? Slap it on, grab a SRAM 12 cassette and build the bike up.
    I've been trying to get him to do that for months. My main riding buddy is a 100% XTR devotee. But that commitment is being tested...
     

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