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    Default Why do I grip the grips so tightly?

    I needed to hang on to them bars!

    Real question: what makes riders white knuckle the grips? What factors go into "grip"?
     

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    Default Re: Why do I grip the grips so tightly?

    Fear.

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    Default Re: Why do I grip the grips so tightly?

    Sorry...lack of core strength.
     

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    Default Re: Why do I grip the grips so tightly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Applesauce View Post
    Sorry...lack of core strength.
    That cat is built like a brick house.

    John, you are thinking too much.

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    Default Re: Why do I grip the grips so tightly?

    Grips too large in diameter? Saddle nose pointed down? Brake lever angle too steep? Bars too wide(or too narrow).

    Itís usually a combination of bad grip and glove selection and poor cockpit setup.
     

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    Default Re: Why do I grip the grips so tightly?

    Quote Originally Posted by suspectdevice View Post
    Grips too large in diameter?
    This is a really good point, and an unintentional experiment I conducted as a kid when I thought more cushion would help me hang onto handlebars propelled by a murderous Yamaha. Ourys were much better for reducing hand fatigue and forearm pump.
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    Josh, I'm blushing. As far as cyclists go, I'm a bit of a brute. As far as weightlifters/other fitness types go, I'm a proud small or extra medium. Have actually been core training daily this year - I can report some nice cycling fitness bennies. Strong recommend.

    Thinking too much, or sh!t-posting because quarantine? yeah, either one you got my number dialed.

    I always loved ODI's for their lockon technology, but a recent switch from the basic pattern to the rogue grip pattern was when I started noticing it. I never had that with ESIs. Still, I'm thinking hand position... gonna play with bar/lever rotation. Mickey, the nose was pointed down! I just noticed it was off a couple degrees when I was mounting up some new tires yesterday. Gonna keep playing with this. What are the bar/wrist principles you guys like for mating up your levers to your wrist angles? I have them positioned laterally such that it's one-finger braking.
     

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    Default Re: Why do I grip the grips so tightly?

    What works for me:
    Levers laterally positioned for one finger braking at the hook of the lever.
    Reach set so that the lever rests in the first joint past the knuckle.
    Angle set for a roughly straight line from forearm > wrist > finger while in attack position. Works out to be roughly 30 degrees from horizontal.
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    Default Re: Why do I grip the grips so tightly?

    I friend who was an accomplished MX rider taught me early on to hold the grips like a screwdriver, not a chin-up bar.

    The necessitates having the brake levers set far enough inward to let you do this. And for me, this means using swept bars (20-degrees) to pull my elbows back in where I like them. My fat bike has more normal bars with 8-degree sweep, and my hands don't like this as much.

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    Default Re: Why do I grip the grips so tightly?

    Just hold on loosely
    But don’t let go
    If you cling too tightly
    You’re gonna lose control
     

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    Default Re: Why do I grip the grips so tightly?

    Ever tried Ergons?
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    Default Re: Why do I grip the grips so tightly?

    Quote Originally Posted by dgaddis View Post
    Ever tried Ergons?
    Itís funny how polarizing Ergon grips are(I mean the wing shaped ones).
    Last time I borrowed a bike with them I actually chose to remove the grips and ride a bare handlebar.

    If OP doesnít have pain with ESIís but he does with Rogueís, itís probably because the rogues are too large in diameter- and because double lock ring ODI lock onís have that hard plastic base that does a horrible job of letting the grips disperse vibration.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by suspectdevice View Post
    It’s funny how polarizing Ergon grips are(I mean the wing shaped ones).
    Last time I borrowed a bike with them I actually chose to remove the grips and ride a bare handlebar.

    If OP doesn’t have pain with ESI’s but he does with Rogue’s, it’s probably because the rogues are too large in diameter- and because double lock ring ODI lock on’s have that hard plastic base that does a horrible job of letting the grips disperse vibration.
    They're just such a damn pain to get on and off. They look cool and feel good, though so that's a 2-1 advantage.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Too Tall View Post
    That cat is built like a brick house.

    John, you are thinking too much.
    I agree with the latter part of this, but not so much the former: my wife is ex-FIS DH and GS, former CSIA coach of the year, squatted four plates a side when I met her. But when it comes to moving a stove, she’s not my first choice. There’s all kinds of strength, and all kinds of applications of strengths. If you can’t move the whole bike around with your body, you’re going to end up trying to force the issue at the bars.

    Ergons only work if you don’t like to move around, which is a hard way to ride when things get bumpier, steeper, or generally gnarlier. This is especially true when it’s time to get way over the front (which it always is!). Ergons are great for sit-and-spin style MTBing - like, a degree or two past gravel. Their “enduro” grips are a little better. But I’m still a fan of round grips for when it gets real. (And I’m no stranger to hand pain: I’ve had four hand surgeries in the last decade, and work as a pro mechanic.) As others have said, limit the diameter a bit; don’t assume that thicker means cushier.
     

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    Default Re: Why do I grip the grips so tightly?

    I have had all versions of the ergons over the years, the wing style are comfy but not good for steep trails, I have a set on my cargo bike. The downhill grips are really nice with some squish, grippy rubber and a mostly round shape.
    I had foam grips for a while to try and reduce hand discomfort but found them lacking in grip. Changing bar shapes made all the difference.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applesauce View Post
    Sorry...lack of core strength.
    This.

    Light hands, heavy feet.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by jscottyk View Post
    This.

    Light hands, heavy feet.
    Much truth to that.

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    I am partial to ESI grips, cushioning and grip is nice. Since I ride a FS bike with decent travel my brake levers are much more horizonalish than they used too. No idea of the exact angle but you might want to dial this, especially if you are riding some steep downhills.
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    Default Re: Why do I grip the grips so tightly?

    Like several of you folks I used to coach, as @SteveP would say, dirt bag MTBers of all capabilities.

    Generally what I saw with people 'white knuckling' was that the 'knuckles' were just one piece of the overall chain. And the one piece that people notice the most. Arm pump, sore hands, etc show up before soreness in other parts of the body. Particularly if the person has road fitness.
    The other signs were things like:
    - holding their shoulder really high which is a sign of a tense neck and shoulders
    - griping hard with their toes inside their shoes. Of course you cannot see this so you have to tell people to consciously scan their feet and relax their toes. Though I did have one person who left impressions in the shoe's insert from tensing the toes so much
    - tight hips

    As mentioned above, these are all signs to not feeling comfortable letting the bike do its thing out of fear.

    Then there are those of us that now have painful arthritic hands due to decades of abusing them.

    I thought I would hate the ergon style grips but now my hands are a mess, I like them.
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