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    Any thoughts on building up either of these frames rigid:

    Men's Chisel Frameset | Specialized.com

    Ritchey P29er Frame / Steel MTB Hardtail

    Here's the deal: I'm going to be out of cycling about 2 years. I'm halfway there and starting to jones about treating myself to a mtb even though my wife will seriously murder me. So the cost has to be low.

    I want a lightweight bike but probably won't get one. If money were no object I would buy this hands down:

    https://www.terra-bike.es/19308/bici...mentanegro.jpg

    I want rigid mostly because I want low maintenance and also to keep the cost and weight down.

    I've never ridden suspension and won't ride hardcore singletrack to warrant it. I simply want a fat tire bike I can go shred.

    Any thoughts as far as whips and/or frames to consider?
     

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    That Chisel will get you a light bike without busting your wallet. Get one, report back!
     

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    geo on the specialized looks better

    any of those three would make a fun bike however
     

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    The chisel- specialized makes a nice 29er
    I love riding rigid- at times it can be so rewarding
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    How about them apples?


    I would love to sell you this bike, but I think that shipping to Spain might be prohibitive.


    Otherwise this is one cool cucumber of a bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew flowers View Post
    geo on the specialized looks better
    Published geometry numbers are funny.

    Special__ed Chisel chainstays = 430 mm.
    Niner Air-9 chanstays = 439 mm.

    Look at that picture of my bike and tell me the chainstays can be almost a centimeter shorter.

    It's so hard to read MTB geometry by the numbers, so many variables.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thollandpe View Post
    Published geometry numbers are funny.

    Special__ed Chisel chainstays = 430 mm.
    Niner Air-9 chanstays = 439 mm.

    Look at that picture of my bike and tell me the chainstays can be almost a centimeter shorter.

    It's so hard to read MTB geometry by the numbers, so many variables.
    Look at seat tube angle

    That is where the space on the special ed comes from. Same reason straight posts on road bike is dumb
     

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    Are there any alloy frames that have xc race geometry?

    As far as stance I like this Special Ed:

    Men's S-Works Epic Hardtail XTR Di2 | Specialized.com

    To my eyes the Orbea Alma I linked earlier is ballpark

    Is the Chisel pretty close? What other good options are out there? Alloy frameset or bike rigid 29er xc race geo

    Purely aesthetic but I love the aggressive front ends of xc riders today - Schurter and Simon Andreassen are two whose whips come to mind

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew flowers View Post
    Look at seat tube angle

    That is where the space on the special ed comes from. Same reason straight posts on road bike is dumb
    OK, one degree slacker on the Niner. At the point where the seat tube is closest, that's worth what . . . 3 mm? And the Special__ed has more bottom bracket drop, which draws the wheel even closer to the seat tube. Like I said, the numbers don't add up.
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    Niner website says 430 chain stays with 74 seat tube angle

    Dunno
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by thollandpe View Post
    Published geometry numbers are funny.
    "Published" does a lot of work in that sentence. It would be interesting to take a tape measure and protractor to those two bikes and see where they actually came in.
     

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    What about the Cannondale FSI range?
    You could sell the Lefty for a pretty penny and swap in a rigid fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robin3mj View Post
    What about the Cannondale FSI range?
    You could sell the Lefty for a pretty penny and swap in a rigid fork.
    Love the thought.

    Question on this in general: can you put a rigid fork on any front suspension hardtail and assume good results? Are rigid carbon forks suspension corrected (correct term?) so they work universally?
     

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    Depends on the fork length that the frame is designed around but generally that will work fine
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew flowers View Post
    Depends on the fork length that the frame is designed around but generally that will work fine
    Correct. Pretty much all rigid carbon forks are 'suspension corrected' for 100mm forks. Lotsa frames coming w/120mm forks now these days tho, so watch out for that.
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    Who makes modern classic steel 29er frames? Like who's in the holy grail category where I put the Igleheart segmented fork. I've always been on the periphery of mtb but grew up around Atlanta and all the cats had Fat City mtbs back in the day and I was jealous on my Raleigh. But I've never had a good pulse on mtb like I do road and cross. Would love to look at some builders - I would probably build w a rigid fork again for simplicity and low maintenance.
     

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    By far the best ‘modern’ hardtail production bike is a Chris Dekerf built chromag. Those have very good geo and tons of history.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by holliscx View Post
    Who makes modern classic steel 29er frames? Like who's in the holy grail category where I put the Igleheart segmented fork. I've always been on the periphery of mtb but grew up around Atlanta and all the cats had Fat City mtbs back in the day and I was jealous on my Raleigh. But I've never had a good pulse on mtb like I do road and cross. Would love to look at some builders - I would probably build w a rigid fork again for simplicity and low maintenance.
    If talking custom, several folks around here are KILLING IT. In no particular order ::
    Garro @ Coconino
    Kris @ 44 Bikes
    Mike @ Zanconato
    Nate @ Zukas Cycles

    There are others, but those four popped into my head immediately. They can all make the fork too, if you want a steel fork. Carbon forks are pretty sweet though IMO, but w/custom steel you do a non-suspension corrected build, which would be sweet if you knew for sure you wouldn't want to put a squishy fork on it one day.

    Off the peg - lotsa options, I'm not that familiar with most to be honest. I do really like Vassago, but I know their geometry isn't for everyone. They have 'cheaper' frames made overseas and some nice made in the USA frames that are very reasonably priced. One of their US-made frames cost about the same as an Asian made Niner for example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dgaddis View Post
    If talking custom, several folks around here are KILLING IT. In no particular order ::
    Garro @ Coconino
    Kris @ 44 Bikes
    Mike @ Zanconato


    Nate @ Zukas Cycles

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    My mind goes straight to these three ... disclosure I have two of Kris' works.

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    I've alway ridden hardtails and a 100-120mm fork only about 1/2 of that time. The more I ride rigid, the less compelling I find suspension to be. It has it's place for others' riding styles, but everything I ride is either fast and smooth or slow and chunky. I don't do chunk fast, regardless of the presence of suspension.

    Of all the spills I have taken on the trail, almost all of them happen when I have a meticulously maintained squish fork on my bike. Maybe I am not good at tuning suspension, maybe I ride the squish the same way I ride rigid, but I feel less confident and ride slower with a suspension fork.

    Anything I should do to tune the fork so it gels with rigid riding style so I can take advantage of the fork and not the other way around?
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