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    Default Re: Reliable, light, reasonably priced MTB hubs

    Quote Originally Posted by christian View Post
    I ended up buying an M9010 XTR 15mm TA and 12x142 hubset for $291 shipped. That was cheaper than a set of Hopes and cheaper than an I9 or White Industries rear hub only.
    No idea if XTRs are better than Hopes or not, just correcting the info.
    Set of Hope Pro2 Evo are $250 shipped to US. (wiggle and others)
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by sk_tle View Post
    Not saying the price isn't great for the quality, but I still range them in the high priced ones especially if you take into account the XT hubs are 1 third of that price.
    No Ti freehub, lower quality of bearing, slower engagement of the freehub which, if needs to be said once more, isn't as reliable as you'll expect from Shimano.
    We speak for experience, on numbers, not just one pair. Go XTR or go Deore/SLX
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    Quote Originally Posted by CXinNH View Post
    No idea if XTRs are better than Hopes or not, just correcting the info.
    Set of Hope Pro2 Evo are $250 shipped to US. (wiggle and others)
    You want Hope for being convertible into -almost- anything, cartridge bearings, choice of colours.
    XTR for classic cup/cone bearings, Ti freehub, excellent skewers included (if you still run QR), convenience of CL disk mount
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    Default Re: Reliable, light, reasonably priced MTB hubs

    Quote Originally Posted by steve garro View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gattonero View Post
    No Ti freehub, lower quality of bearing, slower engagement of the freehub which, if needs to be said once more, isn't as reliable as you'll expect from Shimano.
    We speak for experience, on numbers, not just one pair. Go XTR or go Deore/SLX
    I was merely writing about price range. I like my hubs to be both QR and TA compatible so I'm not in the market for shimano hubs. I stick to my DT / Mavic (system wheel) ones for now. Would definitely consider Hope for a new wheelset but I chose DT350 for my latest rear wheel rebuild
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    Default Re: Reliable, light, reasonably priced MTB hubs

    Quote Originally Posted by sk_tle View Post
    I was merely writing about price range. I like my hubs to be both QR and TA compatible so I'm not in the market for shimano hubs. I stick to my DT / Mavic (system wheel) ones for now. Would definitely consider Hope for a new wheelset but I chose DT350 for my latest rear wheel rebuild
    If you have to replace something, it's not cheap.

    It's wasted $$ you could have put towards a purchase with more longevity.

    Or, at least that's how I think, I can't speak for others.

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    I hear you but XT hubs failure are the exception rather than the norm right ? I never beard bad things about SLX or Deore ones in term of reliability.

    Any hindsight about the XT M8000 ?
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    Default Re: Reliable, light, reasonably priced MTB hubs

    Quote Originally Posted by steve garro View Post
    If you have to replace something, it's not cheap.

    It's wasted $$ you could have put towards a purchase with more longevity.

    ...
    And that's it
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    Default Re: Reliable, light, reasonably priced MTB hubs

    I build a rear hub of these up for little money and 72 points of engagement (did not count them). Have been riding the crap out of it for 8 months, without issues. Until it breaks it might as well be a King for 1/10 th of the money.
    Koozer HA02N HA04N 6 Pawls 72HD Bicycle Hub Disc Bearing 32h Front Rear MTB Road | eBay
     

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    Default Re: Reliable, light, reasonably priced MTB hubs

    Quote Originally Posted by steve garro View Post
    If you have to replace something, it's not cheap.
    It's wasted $$ you could have put towards a purchase with more longevity.
    Or, at least that's how I think, I can't speak for others.
    - Garro.
    Whilst I do identify with the 'buy nice or buy twice' mantra, there are certain things that I just know I'm not going to hammer to death anytime soon.
    That's why I went brand-new Shimano XT (M785) for a forthcoming 26" snow-bike build; I'd rather spend more on better road hubs next Spring.
    Spending $300-400 on a hubset for what's essentially a winter mess-around bike makes no sense to me, and I'm not going to be upping my MTB skills on that particular bike.
    Obviously we all prioritise different things, but the majority of us on here seem to be roadies, so the occasional economy in MTB builds is perfectly understandable, especially if it's a secondary or tertiary interest.
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    Default Re: Reliable, light, reasonably priced MTB hubs

    I've blown up a (nearly new) SLX freehub. 8 miles in from the trailhead. The hike back sucked.

    Nuked two separate freehubs on an XT prebuilt rear wheel as well. Modern Shimano MTB rear hubs just are not a good choice for big/strong guys. I've since gone over to White Industries rear hubs with no issues or regrets.

    But, hey, the Shimano front hubs work just fine, so they've got that going for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr B View Post
    Whilst I do identify with the 'buy nice or buy twice' mantra, there are certain things that I just know I'm not going to hammer to death anytime soon.
    That's why I went brand-new Shimano XT (M785) for a forthcoming 26" snow-bike build; I'd rather spend more on better road hubs next Spring.
    Spending $300-400 on a hubset for what's essentially a winter mess-around bike makes no sense to me, and I'm not going to be upping my MTB skills on that particular bike.
    Obviously we all prioritise different things, but the majority of us on here seem to be roadies, so the occasional economy in MTB builds is perfectly understandable, especially if it's a secondary or tertiary interest.
    Correct, why spending those extra $ when a Deore is more reliable, for a few grams more??
    XT hubs don't really make sense, is an "in-between" that's neither fish nor flesh
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    Default Re: Reliable, light, reasonably priced MTB hubs

    I'm no mechanic, so could you explain what makes an XT hub worse/more fragile than a Deore?
    Putting together a 1x10 XT drivetrain, naturally I assumed the XT hubs would be a great match. I mean, I appreciate they aren't Hope/CK/DT.
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    Default Re: Reliable, light, reasonably priced MTB hubs

    The bearings, esp. on Rh where it matters, are smaller, the freehub is not sealed like the ones with the steel axle
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    Default Re: Reliable, light, reasonably priced MTB hubs

    Do all these shimano hubs have the same amount of engagement points or is it gradually increasing from Deore to XTR ? This is something to take into account. One might not be interested by weight saving but a lack of engagements points can really spoil the fun.
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    Shimano's site doesn't specify, but I've read elsewhere that Deore have 15 points, whereas the M785 XT I just bought have 36.
    I must admit, back in the day when I used to ride MTB hard in all weathers it only took me two winters to kill an LX hub - but I was also quite brutal with the power-washer. The Hope hub that followed it was absolutely bulletproof by comparison.
    If these M785 XT hubs really are pony, I'll return them and buy something better. I haven't even ordered spokes for them yet.
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    Default Re: Reliable, light, reasonably priced MTB hubs

    More M785 woe cross-posted from another forum;

    I've got 785 on 2 bikes and both have had freehub issues, one just locked solid and one split along one of the splines. My LBS said there was a new part number for the freehubs to fit those hubs indicating they have updated them in some way, not had any issues since but it might be too soon to tell.
    Any pro wrench knowledge on this 'updated' freehub?
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    There are also the newer XT M8000 hubs + the XT complete wheelsets ? I'd be interested to know if they are plagued by the same issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sk_tle View Post
    There are also the newer XT M8000 hubs + the XT complete wheelsets ? I'd be interested to know if they are plagued by the same issue.
    The exploded view shows the M8000 and M785 to be identical bar the QR.

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    Default Re: Reliable, light, reasonably priced MTB hubs

    Just checked at the same paper from the M785 hub, the parts are indeed the same. It say however that all freewheel parts from M-785 XTR and XT are interchangeable. So it sucks but in the event of a failure you can still get the replacements parts in XTR level. It is probably not cost effective compared to buying an XTR in the first place though.
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    Default Re: Reliable, light, reasonably priced MTB hubs

    XTR = Titanium freehub? Price?
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