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    Default Fat tire lust

    What other 29ers fit this bill:

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    If I had my druthers, I think I would have Igleheart build me a custom frame with his iconic segmented fork.

    One thing I like about the Specialized Chisel is rinsing the bike off the aluminum frame would be less prone to rust I believe.

    I think the Alma is beautiful and I respect that they feature a rigid 29er in their lineup but I think carbon frames are disposable compared to a metal frame. You can ride steel for decades but CF will date quicker and doesn't have the longevity.

    Re: plug and play do the bottom two examples that I've posted above take I forget the term but is the frame designed to accommodate the fork and vice versa? The term is suspension corrected - I matched Specialized chisel with Spesh chisel fork so assume they're designed to work in concert; same for Ritchey it's their Ultra frame and I'm not sure what the rigid fork is but it's the only one they offer. But are they designed to work together?

    Are there any other off the shelf bikes in this genre? Want 29er 2.4 probably. I would love to try 2.8/2.6 but this would have to be custom I think. Trek had the Stache but I think they're moving away from it.

    Can anyone suggest builds for the bottom two? Would full XT be smart? Or is SRAM better. Or XTR? Also what about brakes? What are the best lowest maintenance disc brakes? Could you build either of the bottom two with like Paul V-brakes or anything along that realm to keep it old school? But I guess then wheels wouldn't jive right? Would love to keep the cost in check. Have no idea about wheels either but if anyone has any build resources I'd love to look at numbers.

    Every winter I get the mtb jones. One year I'm going to pull the trigger. Carry on.

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    Default Re: Fat tire lust

    I don't subscribe to the need for a fat bike but ride my SC Highball with studded tires to very good effect in the snow.

    But you might consider this:

    https://otsocycles.com/collections/voytek-bikes
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    Default Re: Fat tire lust

    Kona Unit X?
    Maybe not be racy enough for what you’re after.
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    Matt thanks for the Kona link. I have a Surly cross-check that scares me about 520 cromo. Obviously you get what you pay for with a Surly frame but the plumber's pipes jokes are true. The 2.6 setup is sweet though. But I would like to skew racy over fat bike which I'm not interested in at all unless I move to Minnesota. I've said here that I rode one of Adam Sklar's personal mtbs that was setup with a 2.8 front and 2.6 rear. It felt like a monster truck to me (mtb noob but still) but I think you only get that going custom. 2.4 is probably a happy medium. I won't know what I love until I ride a lot unfortunately. I'm kind of in the dark about mtbs as a road / cx guy. In college I had an $850 Raleigh that was steel tubes with aluminum inserts kind of like a Ti / carbon frame but steel / alu. V-brakes full rigid which was a great bike for < $1k. Today a bike like that which has morphed disc and carbon is $3-4k. Riding my cross bike and never having ridden suspension apart from a rental one day at Big Sky big tires are enough suspension for the type of mtb riding I'll do. If I lived in Colorado I would be looking for an entirely different rig.

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    Chisel with that rigid fork or maybe a Honzo with a 120mm corrected rigid fork may be best.
    Hadn’t realized the Unit is now such a fat tired beast. 2.6 is certainly truckish.

    I have an older Explosif that’s a lot fun. May swap to rigid one day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by holliscx View Post
    I would love to try 2.8/2.6 but this would have to be custom I think. Trek had the Stache but I think they're moving away from it.

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    FWIW Trek do not sell new complete stache but the framesets are still available.

    Orderable in Spain from https://www.fabreguesbicicletas.es for example.
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    I was on a Trek Stache at Ray's MTB before Thanksgiving. It actually ripped around the park pretty well. it even did ok on the jump lines.

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    I was looking last night to be fair I guess you'd have to include these though they're not contenders for me. I want something a little sweeter.




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    This Engin is filthy



    Does anyone know how slow does a 29+ ride compared to, say, 2.4

    Is it a discernible difference riding recreationally? Put another way it doesn't feel like a fat bike does it?

    I want agility and a horny climber so I might be best served around 2.4 but again until I ride I'm just guessing. So wondering from the Salon to hear from actual data

    Typing out loud but in my mind 29+ is interesting when going full rigid. Like it feels all in on the concept for you're getting maximum suspension from big ass tires and hoops

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    In my experience having ridden a 29+ for 2.5 years it felt faster than regular XC at steady pace, the faster the worse is the ground, but slower to accelerate. And obviously a 29+ tire is heavier than an XC tire. The tread and carcass makes more difference, my current 29 x 2.5 trail tires feel definitely slowet everywher but downhill than my previos 29x3.00 tires.
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    29+ is fast AF if you can keep air in the tires, but wouldn’t be a great choice if you are mostly riding gravel.

    That being said i think you are indicating that you just want a stock, normal ass 29” bike with a rigid fork to ride the way most roadies have historically ridden mountain bikes.
    You probably want something a few years old, with a(now) gravel-esque 70-71 deg head angle. Modern hardtails are too stable to make decent gravel bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suspectdevice View Post
    That being said i think you are indicating that you just want a stock, normal ass 29” bike with a rigid fork to ride the way most roadies have historically ridden mountain bikes.
    Yessir, I would say this is very accurate

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    Quote Originally Posted by holliscx View Post
    Yessir, I would say this is very accurate
    A previous Gen XYZ race bike, with a 10 speed double setup! Boyohboy there are so many grumpy folks that bikes like that basically aren't available any more.
    I bet you there is a 10 year old Seven or something out there that's just a fork swap away from being the Ti all-terrain cruiser of your dreams, for less than the price of a "modern" entry level xc hardtail(if you could actually find one to buy).

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    Sounds like what I bought super cheap last summer. First Gen Niner Air9 carbon CYA. First Gen Niner BB was creaky so I got it for a song.



    Super light and fun for the lame-o old man riding I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmplum View Post
    Sounds like what I bought super cheap last summer. First Gen Niner Air9 carbon CYA. First Gen Niner BB was creaky so I got it for a song.



    Super light and fun for the lame-o old man riding I do.
    The carbon bull moose bar stem is a nice touch. Were you able to quiet the BB down?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmplum View Post
    ...Niner BB was creaky...
    My aluminum Air9 was creaky too. Yanked the plastic-shelled GXP bottom bracket and went with a Parlee unit made of metal. Quieted right down.



    Funny thing is I offered to sell this very bike to Hollis the last time he was jonesing for an MTB. But I put drop bars on it so now it's my dirt road bike for dirt roads that aren't really roads.

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    Yup. Pulled the old one, cleaned everything and installed the niner biocentric 2 according to their specs. Absolutely silent since.

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    Also that RWB Ritchey P-29 from the original post was the 29er that I had been looking for (and to be honest, still am). Thought I had a first year medium lined up to buy and the seller completely ghosted me. This Niner popped up on craigslist and was too cheap to not buy.

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    You scored.
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    Not fat tire lust, but my steel hardtail (Coconino) was built to clear at least a 29X2.5 for AZ riding. My rides usually have several desert washes with ankle-deep loose stuff, but if I hit it at speed with the 2.5's, I can roll over it. I use WTB Vigilantes which are a lot like a motorcycle tire with tough sidewalls for all the cholla.
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