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    Default Re: Swimming: clues needed

    Quote Originally Posted by holliscx View Post
    To put it another way swimming with a frontal snorkel is a lot like riding a track bike on the velodrome. No brakes nor shifting just your legs. I've only ridden on a velodrome once but it was beautiful.

    Just got back from swimming 64 and was thinking about you most of the time Josh. You have to do it and report back. If I lived in DC I would bribe you with some hot stuff (cafe) but this is an order.
    Well, that I can not deny ;) OK. We are traveling for the next week than I'll report back.

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    Ditch the fins. Get some pull buoys (foam you hold between your knees). They will keep you hips and legs high and allow you to propel yourself with your upper body like a proper swimmer, to keep your head low and in line with your spine, and to concentrate on your glide and efficiency.

    Cyclists can have trouble taking up swimming because their upper bodies tend to be weak, their legs are dense and heavy which makes them sink, they fight the water and exhaust themselves, and they kick too much.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Tollefson View Post
    For me, the ability to breathe from either side was critical in open-water swimming to avoid issues with waves, sunlight, or needing to get a quick gulp of air because I got clubbed by another swimmer when I came up for air on whichever side...

    My standard stroke was rather unorthodox, though: R(b)-L-R(b)-L-R-L(b)-R-L(b)-R-L-R(b)... (two on each side before switching)
    that's called 2-3-2 and its a distance technique that works quite well!
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    Quote Originally Posted by twowheels View Post
    Ditch the fins. Get some pull buoys (foam you hold between your knees). They will keep you hips and legs high and allow you to propel yourself with your upper body like a proper swimmer, to keep your head low and in line with your spine, and to concentrate on your glide and efficiency.

    Cyclists can have trouble taking up swimming because their upper bodies tend to be weak, their legs are dense and heavy which makes them sink, they fight the water and exhaust themselves, and they kick too much.
    and as a cyclist AND swimmer, go for the THINNEST buoy that you can. back in college swimming I used a soft foam kick board as it could deal with the cyclist thighs. another benefit- it acted like a keel on a boat while the flat spots on the front on the buoy just felt like they acted like an air brake. buoys are usually more efficient closer to the (ahem) top of your inseam, to be frank.

    one other thing- balance. if you're working one muscle group, you need to lift/stretch the others. example- swimming tends to be abdominal specific. you need to balance with lower back. swimming also works the upper back muscles to the point that things like bench press can be good. why all of this balance? preventing injury.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Too Tall View Post
    VERY helpful Mark. Thanks.

    *Wow he barely kicks. I'm kicking about 10 times more!
    distance swimmer stroke. why use the legs less? they use a LOT more oxygen than your arms do. think of a swimmers view of a swim leg in a triathlon- sprint for the buoy on the first leg to get ahead, and turn the legs off/let the tri wetsuit do its floatie job!!
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    are there any brands/models of swim jammers that don't ride so low on the hips? Most of the ones I see are low enough they would look ridiculous on me. OTOH, I can't keep my current swim trunks to stay up, so maybe I'm going to have to settle.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by EricKeller View Post
    are there any brands/models of swim jammers that don't ride so low on the hips? Most of the ones I see are low enough they would look ridiculous on me. OTOH, I can't keep my current swim trunks to stay up, so maybe I'm going to have to settle.
    You need to eat more doughnuts. My secret is out kidding. I'm using Speedo "Endurance". They seem like normal swim trunks to me, nothing crazy.

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    When I lose weight, about the only thing that shrinks is my butt. Donuts just go right to my gut, so there is a definite downward force issue.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Too Tall View Post
    I'm using Speedo "Endurance".
    Another Australian brand that moved OS. The logo is actually a stylised boomerang.

    BTW they're known as budgie smugglers locally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Kelly View Post
    Another Australian brand that moved OS. The logo is actually a stylised boomerang.

    BTW they're known as budgie smugglers locally.
    I have no shame.

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    Somewhat OT but hopefully you'll find this amusing:

    The name "Budgie Smuggler" is a reference to the number of Australian birds, especially of the parrot family, that are smuggled out because they are far more valuable OS.

    I didn't realise how valuable they were until the young Italian assistant winemaker I had last year commented on the number of sulphur crested cockatoos around the vineyard, saying his business partner in Italy had one for which he'd paid 1000 Euros.

    A week or so later we had about 40 sulphur crests making their typical racket in a tree next to the winery, Edoardo took a pic which he sent to his partner labelled "40,000 Euros"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Kelly View Post
    Somewhat OT but hopefully you'll find this amusing:

    The name "Budgie Smuggler" is a reference to the number of Australian birds, especially of the parrot family, that are smuggled out because they are far more valuable OS.

    I didn't realise how valuable they were until the young Italian assistant winemaker I had last year commented on the number of sulphur crested cockatoos around the vineyard, saying his business partner in Italy had one for which he'd paid 1000 Euros.

    A week or so later we had about 40 sulphur crests making their typical racket in a tree next to the winery, Edoardo took a pic which he sent to his partner labelled "40,000 Euros"
    Somewhat further off topic. I had two locally bred sulfur crested cockatoos at pets for many years name Fred and Nancy (yeah lame musical reference). They flew freely in my house or where ever I was living and in love....one day Fred escaped into the wild thru a tiny opening in the living room window. He stayed in a huge oak tree for about a week than gone. After a month a pal encouraged me to call the local humane society. "Tell us again exactly what kind of bird and specifically the type..." Those birds were exceptionally rare in the USA at that time. I was working part time at a pet store and we had a connection to a local who had a breeding pair...I was incredibly lucky to get the two birds. Turns out Fred was knocked down by a storm weak from not eating and found by a woman about 5 miles away. They put me in contact with her, her response was "it could not possibly be your bird" but I insisted on a visit. I had a plan. Nancy and Fred were mated and all I had to do was whistle their call and they both would go nuts. I arrived at her apt. with about two arm fulls of chrysanthemums, stuffed those into her arms and gave the "call"...the birds went insane, I went directly in and grabbed Fred put him in the cage with Nancy. All the while the woman was protesting that Fred was rightfully hers and I should not take him. Mmmmmm no way, those birds were in love and Nancy was dying slowly without her Fred. Never looked back, apologized profusely and beat it on down the line. Fred and Nancy lived happily for a few more years together until I got a job in S. Wyoming so I found a lovely young couple with kids to adopt them. That's my story.

    So...swimming. It's hard.
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    Dog people are weird, horse people are stranger, bird people......no words - almost as strange as middle age men playing with bikes and dressing in Lyrca and actually thinking they have style.

    disclaimer - I have a dog and received a new kit from La Passione with the matching socks and yes I road very slowly by the store front windows to check myself out :) now I need new glasses - onto that thread now
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Too Tall View Post
    Somewhat further off topic.

    Mmmmmm no way, those birds were in love and Nancy was dying slowly without her Fred.
    I am pretty sure they are monogamous, as are many of the local members of the parrot family, so your observation would be spot on.

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