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    Revealed. Go fast combos. Certain combinations of setups are wildly useful. Some are heavily influenced by things such as: rider weight, temps etc. etc.
    I'll start with a wheel/tire/weight combo that is stupidly fast, light and have great utility

    Wheels: American Classic Hurricane, approx weight ('cause I won't look it up) ~ `1600g
    Tires: Panaracer Gravel King 700X28
    Sealant: whatever
    Rider Weight: 200
    Tire Pressure Mostly Road/Lots of rough stuff 65/70 , 50/55

    There is something about this rig that is making me zing along. No data, don't care. Just my take seat of the pants old-fekker opinion.

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    Rims: Pacenti SL-23 v2 hubs: Powertap G3, SON Delux, spokes 32 DT Butted, brass nipples.
    Compass BarlowPass SL
    Tubes - Conti
    Weight 200.
    Pressure: 35-40psi front 45psi rear.
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    My Go Fast Road Bike Set-up:

    HED Jet 9 wheeset
    S-Works 320 tpi cotton tyres 700x24
    Vittoria latex tubes

    Bonus feature: Aluminum brake track

    --MC
     

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    Cold Kenya tea with honey and a pinch of salt in the bottles, rice cakes and dried fruit in the pockets, a dead cellphone, and some 28s that aren't down to the casing yet.
     

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    A bottle full of ice cold Gatorade and the knowledge that three kids under the age of three will all be waking up at once in two hours and failure to be home by then will result in your wife murdering you in your sleep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkC View Post
    My Go Fast Road Bike Set-up:

    HED Jet 9 wheeset
    S-Works 320 tpi cotton tyres 700x24
    Vittoria latex tubes

    Bonus feature: Aluminum brake track

    --MC
    That probably rides real nicely.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkC View Post
    My Go Fast Road Bike Set-up:

    HED Jet 9 wheeset
    S-Works 320 tpi cotton tyres 700x24
    Vittoria latex tubes

    Bonus feature: Aluminum brake track

    --MC
    From the WOD thread I see you do TTs. Sounds like a good TT setup, but no disc or disc cover?

    The fastest wheels I've ever ridden were Stinger 6s w/ Vittoria EVO CX 23s...the wide version...those things could fly. Add disc cover for additional 0.5-1.0 mph.
     

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    Mavic Gl330s 3X on 7900 hubs.
    22mm Sprinters at 110.
    Competitions don't feel as fast cause I can't get them on without a flat spot.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by BSUdude View Post
    From the WOD thread I see you do TTs. Sounds like a good TT setup, but no disc or disc cover?
    Yes, absolutely.

    The Jet 9 set described above came to me from a pal who did indeed use them for TTs with the Wheel Builder rear cover. They work very well for TTs and based on tunnel data give up very little to a proper disk. Same is true for a Zipp 808 with covers. The covers are a great way to get disk like performance with the option of a regular wheel.

    I took the cover off and run the 9 f + 9 r on my road bike. We have a couple events that are road bike only / no disks allowed due to safety concerns. I also wanted some stupid aero wheels for crits and road races. Paid $500 for the set, said buddy described above used them a half dozen times. Nice to have friends like that.

    Go fast tires, the clinchers I use are the S-Works cotton 320s and the Conti Podium TTs. Both have good CRR numbers. The S-Works ride like a very good tubbie. They are exceptional tires. The Contis ride more like the Continentals. Harsher ride, slightly less corner grip than S-Works, but fast.

    In context of Josh's question, I think these S-Works cottons and latex tubes are a "secret sauce" on any good wheel.

    -Mark

    FWIW - my TT wheels are Stinger 9 / Stinger Disk running Zipp SL Speed 24 sew-ups. Have a spare Jet disk and Jet 9 for back-up. I travel a bit for TTs doing about 20 a year. It is *insane* to have two disk wheels but if one is driving 3-4 hours each way and staying overnight to race, it makes sense to have back-up equipment.
     

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    In the past, Spinergy RevX's with conti sprinters at 150#. It felt fast anyway.

    Now, Record hubs (silver, therefore faster), front Pacenti SL23 V1 with a Pro4, rear Easton R90 SL with a Schwable One, both tires 25mm, DT Comp (silver, faster). STRAVA says it's fast.
    I heart burnt bikes.

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    Rock Lobstah rawks.jpg

    Vittoia Cross XN tubulars, glued to GL330's here but later to Campagnolo Nucleons. That grey compound is absolutely miserable for cyclocross, like riding wet wood on grass. But on pavement or dirt roads, it wears like iron and goes like stink. Those tires sang, the magic zhoosh zhoosh when you stand, begging for the big ring. Begging for more speed. The compliance of those tires was a perfect match for the wheels and they opened a door to a new dimension at 25 mph.


    And then I made them even faster.

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    Speaking of time trials, this little accessory made you look fast and feel fast. Minimalist to a fault. The best was riding it in a light rain. That foil-thin titanium (yes, titanium) shell was LOUD when the raindrops hit it. Sounded like you were in an airplane.
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    My extremely successful gravel race wheelset:

    Velocity Blunt SS 29er rim (28H)
    Hope Pro2 Front Hub (Disc)
    Onxy Racing Rear Hub (Disc/Shimano 11spd)
    DT Swiss 1.8 Champion spokes
    Maxxis Rambler 40c 120tpi tires
    32psi F/35psi R
    1 syringe of Stans/wheel

    148lbs race weight
     

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    My first thought was peanut butter with chili sauce. I guess Shamal's with 28mm Schwalbe Pro 1 is pretty good too.
     

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    Ksyrium Pro Carbon SL tubular 2016 disc brake version (these are really nice)
    Weight: ~1350
    Wrappers: Vittoria CX 25s
    Pressure: 90-95 for front and rear
    Rider weight: 165lbs
    Ride this set up on/over everything - smooth to roots.

    Zoom zoom.

    Rode the Mavic supplied Griplink and Powerlink tubulars for a while. They were pretty good all things considered. Just not as nice as the Vittoria wrappers.

    I have a set of Gravelkings (28s) sitting around waiting for the clincher version of the same wheelset to arrive.
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    Zipp 606 wheelset
    Vittoria Corsa CX 25's
    rubbed down every race day with vinegar(tires)
    Dura Ace 23/11 cassette

    beacuse? "it takes a big hammer to drive a big stake"
    "make the break"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chance Legstrong View Post
    rubbed down every race day with vinegar(tires)

    ?????? Curious about this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chance Legstrong View Post
    Zipp 606 wheelset
    Vittoria Corsa CX 25's
    rubbed down every race day with vinegar(tires)
    Dura Ace 23/11 cassette

    beacuse? "it takes a big hammer to drive a big stake"
    I too do the vinegar rub post ride, but I never thought to do it on my tires.
     

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    I love the XN. A little tender but a great dirt road tire.

    I like two ground up No-Doz, 2oz flat Coke and 1oz of brandy in a little plastic bottle in my jersey. Nice pick-me-up at the 11th hour of a long long event on the rivet. Shhh, it's a secret...

    (P.S. Please don't overanalyze this as it's all in my head that it helps when I'm about to give up)
     

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    Perfect blend of versatility, comfort, and speed

    Wheels: ENVE XC 29 on DT Swiss 240s ~1400g
    Tires: Compass Bon Jon Pass
    Sealant: Orange Seal
    Rider Weight: 165
    Tire Pressure 48/50
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    Quote Originally Posted by ldamelio View Post
    ?????? Curious about this.
    Vinegar is acetic acid (mild, I know you know that Lou). It cleans the tires nicely, takes off residual oils and other detritus. Now it gets tricky... some say vinegar wipe provides extra traction, others say it protects against cuts. Somewhat common practice for track (particularly wood track) and might be helpful in crits too.

    Old school stuff - cool.
     

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