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    I bought a new set of Bondhus T-Handles for the desert workshop.
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    Couldn't find my chain holder for 12mm tru-axle, so I made one: old Campag jockey wheel, the bushing is pushed out and the inside is cleared/reamed with a 12mm drill bit.
    Slide it on the tru-axle, job done



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    After messing with a chain tool for a year, it's nearly ready. Decade Chain Tool

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    damn

    ill buy one shortly

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    "The tool also peens Campagnolo 11 and 12 speed chains to factory specs using a backstop that threads into the backside of the tool as a stop."

    that's what i've been trying to find pictures of. have any?
    -Dustin

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    I don't. But it's a standard flat point set screw the threads into the ejection hole. Thread it in till it's finger tight against the chain and peen away. No rocket science involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abbeyQ View Post


    After messing with a chain tool for a year, it's nearly ready. Decade Chain Tool
    Jason, that's lovely, but I don't see the means for the retaining clip as the original Campag chain tools.
    I found it's very useful to keep the chain dead straight (the Campag tools have a very snug fit) so the pin is sure to go exactly the way it should and not snap half-way.
    This can happen with those chains that have a pronounced riveting of the pins, and are likely to leave that "half-moon" swarf inside the rollers, which fouls with the pin when you're trying to push it in
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gattonero View Post
    Jason, that's lovely, but I don't see the means for the retaining clip as the original Campag chain tools.
    I found it's very useful to keep the chain dead straight (the Campag tools have a very snug fit) so the pin is sure to go exactly the way it should and not snap half-way.
    This can happen with those chains that have a pronounced riveting of the pins, and are likely to leave that "half-moon" swarf inside the rollers, which fouls with the pin when you're trying to push it in
    We looked into doing a retaining clip of some type with our tool, it's just not possible when you need to work with all the chains on the market. It's either just right, too sloppy to do any good or interferes. The Campagnolo tool is great for their chain, but it doesn't work with a lot of other chains. We didn't feel we could ignore the ability to peen the Campagnolo chain at the price range we were going to wind up in. So we wanted to add features those chains needed but we didn't need to optimize for Campagnolo. We did copy the pin tip geometry of the Campagnolo tool to ensure you get the exact same peen you do with their tool. In fact the pins of their tool are cross compatible with ours (as are the Shimano pins). If you do a lot of Campagnolo work, you already own their tool and you should probably keep using it for their chains.

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    My point is that the clip should made for the Campag chain, as it's the only one I know that would use a two-part pin that either slides off (10sp) or breaks off easy (11 and 12sp).
    To push those chains just so slightly offset is a recipe for failure.

    I do indeed have the Campag tools, both CN200 and CN300. Was hoping that you could make a quality tool that could work all the modern chains, with the option of using the retaining clip sized for the Campag chain plates
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gattonero View Post
    My point is that the clip should made for the Campag chain, as it's the only one I know that would use a two-part pin that either slides off (10sp) or breaks off easy (11 and 12sp).
    To push those chains just so slightly offset is a recipe for failure.

    I do indeed have the Campag tools, both CN200 and CN300. Was hoping that you could make a quality tool that could work all the modern chains, with the option of using the retaining clip sized for the Campag chain plates
    Designing tools for use with a broad range of parts is an exercise in compromise vs optimization. I love making tools for a specific part from a single manufacture because we can optimize everything for that one part. When you have something like our BB Common tool, it's used by 100 different manufactures, nobody publishes a standard dimension of what those parts are supposed to be it's a lot harder to make things fit perfect.

    We could add a retaining clip to the tool but people would expect it to work with every chain, not just Campagnolo. Then they either get upset that it "doesn't work" or damage something trying to make it work. The other thing to keep in mind is Campagnolo has about 5% of global market share on a good day. So optimizing general purpose tools for their sliver of the market just doesn't make sense. The thing about the spring pin is that it works as a go/no-go gauge. The chain doesn't need the spring to hold it in, you just put it in to make sure the chain is all the way seated. You as a technician, can verify the same thing with your fingers and get the same result without the extra bit.

    I'm pretty stoked on what we've come up with at the end of the day. We put together a kick ass tool that has forward compatibility for things we haven't even seen yet. It meets all of our compatibility and design objectives, it's super smooth to use, has great durability and feels good in your hands. There are better tools out there for very specific applications but that wasn't what we were trying to do.

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    I disagree with your view of the clip for one reason: it's a professional tool, you want to use the clip for the Campagnolo chains only, so has to be sized for them chains and that's where it ends.
    On a good day, here Campagnolo has a good 30% of the market for high-end road bicycles.
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    Found this at the local thrift store. A bit of rust on the bore, but the rosewood handles are all that matter...

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    Wow. Basically a chain tool is a chain tool is a chain tool. That's a chain tool.

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    Yeah, they aren't all created equal though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abbeyQ View Post
    Yeah, they aren't all created equal though.
    Yah. That new chain tool of yours looks awesome. I don't need it but I kinda do.
    Andy

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    What kind of thrift store has quality bike tools ???

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    Hungry for some new tool acquisition photos! Who's buying tools?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wgp View Post
    Hungry for some new tool acquisition photos! Who's buying tools?
    Surprise birthday present I enabled

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    Jason - That is an outstandingly gorgeous piece of work -wow!

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    that's a really cool dishing gauge

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