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    Default Looking for a specific headset

    To get my big travel bike into its S&S case, I need to remove the fork. At the moment, I'm running a Cane Creek 40 (EC34) headset and have been putting tape over the bearings/cups once the fork is removed so that they don't fall out - not exactly an elegant solution. Wondering if the perfect headset exists for my needs:

    -1 1/8" straight steerer
    -External cups on 34mm headtube
    -Bearings that stay in cups once the fork is removed (King?)
    -Easy to remove the fork without a whack with a mallet (not King/Gripnut?)
    -Low maintenance

    Recommendations welcome!
     

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    Default Re: Looking for a specific headset

    A King with the 0-ring peeled out of the top cone?
     

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    Default Re: Looking for a specific headset

    You could use bearing retainer to keep your current headset bearings in their cups when the fork is out.

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    Default Re: Looking for a specific headset

    Gonna bat down the O-ring idea proffered above- no O-ring in the King gripnut setup is a recipe for an un-adjustable headset. Ask me how I know.

    A reusable ball tie (don't know what it's called, looks like anal beads) thing won't keep your stuff together?
     

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    Default Re: Looking for a specific headset

    Quote Originally Posted by doomridesout View Post
    A reusable ball tie (don't know what it's called, looks like anal beads) thing won't keep your stuff together?
    Quote Originally Posted by abbeyQ View Post
    You could use bearing retainer to keep your current headset bearings in their cups when the fork is out.


    I'm interested in these options but have no idea what to search online or in store, any links?

    Also - If I were to upgrade to a King, is it a pain to remove/re-install the fork semi-frequently? I don't have much experience there.
     

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    I guess it's called a beaded cable tie. Should be at the hardware store next to zip ties.
    Amazon.com : Ancor Reusable Beaded Cable Ties : Sports & Outdoors
     

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    When I have to remove a fork of a bike for a little while I usually use velcro cable ties to keep everything attached.
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    Default Re: Looking for a specific headset

    Dropping a King HS out is pretty damn easy


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    Default Re: Looking for a specific headset

    Thanks everyone - very helpful. I'll likely grab a King and something simple to hold everything together when disassembled.

    Am I correct in thinking the King bearings do not come out of the cups?
     

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    Default Re: Looking for a specific headset

    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianWong View Post

    Am I correct in thinking the King bearings do not come out of the cups?
    I've got two well worn King 1-1/8" standard headsets and the bearings will not come out of the cups unless you really want them to. Mine are definitely press fit. I service the bearings in the cup, (and with the cups in the headtube)
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianWong View Post
    I'm interested in these options but have no idea what to search online or in store, any links?

    Also - If I were to upgrade to a King, is it a pain to remove/re-install the fork semi-frequently? I don't have much experience there.
    Loctite 620 is a good choice. Drop the fork, remove the bearings from the cups. Get all the grease out and then reinstall with a thin coat of 620. Reinstall the headset like normal and you should be golden. If you need to remove the bearings 620 is heat sensitive so a a heat gun or small tourch will let them drop out like normal.
     

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    Default Re: Looking for a specific headset

    Pretty much all the retaining compounds are high-strength, if combined with the need for using a torch makes likely the bearing will come apart when it's time to replace it. In a nutshell, when heated, the bearings seals will come undone/burn and the inner race separates from the outer race. The latter will typically stay flush with the headset cups, which can be a pain for the mechanic.

    On an average-fit of the bearings in a headset (as the Can Creek is) I'd use a sticky compound like the Finish Line ti-prep, it won't get the bearings out unless there is some proper clumsiness when reinstalling the forks.
    The downside is that makes a mess where it goes in contact (it's damn sticky), but I assume you already use a piece of pipe-lagging to protect the headtube anyway? And there has to be grease on the crown race as well, so things are never going to be "spotless" anyway.
    Andrea "Gattonero" Cattolico, head mechanic @Condor Cycles London


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    Default Re: Looking for a specific headset

    King headsets remain intact when you drop the fork

    If you grease the steerer then at the worst a sharp tap from even the heel of a shoe will release the top race.

    Don't over think this


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