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    Default Easy splits + Hydro Stops

    Suppose, no actually realize I need to add a easy-split between two hydro cable (pass thru) guides. See the pic. below and zero in on the yellow tape. Got it?

    There are cable stops available that accept compressionless housing AND slide into the hydro guides. The issue with that is these slip in and out when braking force is applied. I could glue the darn things into place but that's not very neat is it?

    https://www.ticycles.com/components/...able-splitters

    A lovely new version of the easy split might solve the issue, look good and function great. If these easy splits were made to accept the housing ends + end cap that might work yeah?

    What else have I not thought of and do you have a lathe and some time to make a few of these for me?

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    Default Re: Easy splits + Hydro Stops

    Ideally you'd have split housing stops fore and aft of the coupler, right? And then that bare section of cable could be split with the cable-only spitters.

    But can the zip-tie stops you have also take those housing C-clips? These ones:

    https://www.jensonusa.com/globalasse...e/fr225z00.jpg

    If so, then you could just pop those off from the coupler back to the brake caliper and leave everything intact but connected to the front of the bike. Then when reassembled, pop them back on.
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    Default Re: Easy splits + Hydro Stops

    Quote Originally Posted by Too Tall View Post
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    A lovely new version of the easy split might solve the issue, look good and function great. If these easy splits were made to accept the housing ends + end cap that might work yeah?...
    I've been thinking about this. Doodling on napkins. Any housing stop has to remain stationary while the cables, attached to either end of the split, moves to actuate the brake. Cable moves vs. housing doesn't.

    Maybe a housing stop with cinched waist that gets bondaged to the zip-tie doohickey by said zip tie and does not move? Then easy split works on its own.
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    Default Re: Easy splits + Hydro Stops

    Quote Originally Posted by j44ke View Post
    Ideally you'd have split housing stops fore and aft of the coupler, right? And then that bare section of cable could be split with the cable-only spitters.

    But can the zip-tie stops you have also take those housing C-clips? These ones:

    https://www.jensonusa.com/globalasse...e/fr225z00.jpg

    If so, then you could just pop those off from the coupler back to the brake caliper and leave everything intact but connected to the front of the bike. Then when reassembled, pop them back on.
    Those clips would work. Both the possibility that the housing will get kinked and fact I'd like to lose about 6' of housing entirely are negatives.

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    Default Re: Easy splits + Hydro Stops

    Quote Originally Posted by j44ke View Post
    I've been thinking about this. Doodling on napkins. Any housing stop has to remain stationary while the cables, attached to either end of the split, moves to actuate the brake. Cable moves vs. housing doesn't.

    Maybe a housing stop with cinched waist that gets bondaged to the zip-tie doohickey by said zip tie and does not move? Then easy split works on its own.
    I think you are going in the right direction.

    FWIIW Our old tandem has one split stop near the headtube and one near the seatstay with one easy split near the S&S (located just behind the captain's seat tube). This loooooong bare cable run works great.

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    How about something like a seat binder braze-on? Housing should be able to use the end for the bolt head as a stop, and then the threaded end would allow the cable unimpeded movement. Then skinny waist would allow for a nice positive clinch by zip tie to the frame cable holder/guide? Improvements would be remove/smooth threads, even figure out a teflon insert (maybe a plug from a cutting board glued/inserted/drilled to fit cable.)

    https://framebuildersupply.com/colle...-22-2mm-length



    Rack bosses would be smaller but no recessed bolt head so no ersatz cable stop.

    https://framebuildersupply.com/colle...ses-pack-of-10



    I'd say Mr. Henry at 44 Bikes should be called in as consultant.
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    Default Re: Easy splits + Hydro Stops

    That's really REALLY good Jorn. Both of us are headed in that direction.

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    Default Re: Easy splits + Hydro Stops

    Let's just throw money at it. New hydro brakes and one of these https://22bicycles.com/products/brak...lic-disconnect

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    Default Re: Easy splits + Hydro Stops

    Quote Originally Posted by rec head View Post
    Let's just throw money at it. New hydro brakes and one of these https://22bicycles.com/products/brak...lic-disconnect
    Bazinga

    Anybody have some GRX shifters and post mount brakes you need gone?

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    The hydraulic splitter is a neat idea for occasional use. If you are splitting it every time you need to put it in the truck for transport, I think you are asking for trouble. It is also going to rub and rattle against the frame if used externally in your application. If you go down this path don't discount Ultegra levers over GRX. They are more road biased in their shape, and I prefer them to GRX.
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    Default Re: Easy splits + Hydro Stops

    I have the couplers on my S&S bike and they are easy to secure in a way that doesn't bang around. The S&S coupler allows you to use rubber bands :)

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    Default Re: Easy splits + Hydro Stops

    Quote Originally Posted by rec head View Post
    I have the couplers on my S&S bike and they are easy to secure in a way that doesn't bang around. The S&S coupler allows you to use rubber bands :)
    Say more!!! How many times have you decoupled/recoupled these gadgets? Pics?

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    Default Re: Easy splits + Hydro Stops

    I ordered them on 9/27/20 so I haven't been able to travel with the bike. When they were freshly installed I did a fair number of uncouple/re-couples. I think sometimes I would leave them uncoupled while the bike was hanging. Stupid expensive especially 'cos I use 2 of them. My bike is great but it packs weird and I've done enough damage packing it that the $500 is insurance that I can use the bike when I get there. I'm using them with SRAM brakes. There have been no problems and I don't recall any fluid making a mess during use.


    Hmmm, now that I'm thinking about it if you (I) de-couple as the first step of breaking your bike down you (I) could be saved from accidentally squeezing the brake while the wheel is out.

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    Default Re: Easy splits + Hydro Stops

    I saw that and didn't even think to use it outside the bike. Doh.

    Looks very interesting.
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    Default Re: Easy splits + Hydro Stops

    RecHead I'm keen on the concept, it's fantastic tech.

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    Default Re: Easy splits + Hydro Stops

    And it isn't new tech. I'm sure you know that hydro couplers have been around more than a while. It was just getting them to work with bike sized hoses. I did LOTS of searching for anything compatible or that could be made compatible before these were released.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rec head View Post
    And it isn't new tech. I'm sure you know that hydro couplers have been around more than a while. It was just getting them to work with bike sized hoses. I did LOTS of searching for anything compatible or that could be made compatible before these were released.
    Yep yep got all that. Motorcycles have used them for ages. The BMW crowd do not suffer fools lightly, love the tech. WHEN this is re-invented in a much more svelt form factor I'm your Huckleberry. Vanity is a curse ;)

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    Default Re: Easy splits + Hydro Stops

    I'm not sure why they made them so big.

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    Default Re: Easy splits + Hydro Stops

    Quote Originally Posted by rec head View Post
    I'm not sure why they made them so big.
    Because they have to use stock hose, 5mmOD and simply put, utilize standard barb, olive and nut. They have to house this and provide enough real estate to wrench it all together in the coupler and hold PSI and flow which means maintaining relative ID.

    22 intended to use internally. Great job if you understand whatís involved.

    If I had a hydro disc S&S tandem, Iíd master rotor centering and buy a bag of zip ties.

    Caliper centering isnít really that difficult. Make or buy a shim that laps over the rotor, squeeze some lever, tighten bolt slowly, one then the other, back and forth, pull the shim and done.

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    Default Re: Easy splits + Hydro Stops

    What Nick said. I've thrown in the towel for now. Yesterday I practiced pulling the rear rotor and re-installing. I used a toe strap on the rear brake lever and re-installed the brake. Did this a couple times and did not need to perform any adjustment to the pads.

    Yes, it was a Binda strap.

    Yes, I ordered a mega bag of zip ties.

    Hating that this is so uncomplicated ;)

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