User Tag List

Page 21 of 33 FirstFirst ... 111213141516171819202122232425262728293031 ... LastLast
Results 401 to 420 of 647

Thread: Who will challenge Trump? Who you like?

  1. #401
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Location
    Stow, MA
    Posts
    3,780
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Who will challenge Trump? Who you like?

    Quote Originally Posted by davids View Post
    Substantiate these statements, please.
    As soon as Warren pulled ahead all of the moderates and the media had the knives out for her and took her down over Medicare. It didn't matter that she was clearly the most capable and prepared candidate in the race. Or would you prefer to chalk it up to misogyny?

    As soon as Sanders won in New Hampshire the knives of the moderates and the press went swish swish. A socialist! Must drive him out of the race! There was almost $900K in dark money anti-Sanders ads that got dropped 2 days before tuesday.

    You show me an example of prominent moderates or the media coming out to support them.
    Guy Washburn

    Photography > www.guywashburn.com

    There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened.
    --Douglas Adams

  2. #402
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Bay Area
    Posts
    1,179
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Who will challenge Trump? Who you like?

    Quote Originally Posted by guido View Post
    As soon as Warren pulled ahead all of the moderates and the media had the knives out for her and took her down over Medicare. It didn't matter that she was clearly the most capable and prepared candidate in the race. Or would you prefer to chalk it up to misogyny?

    As soon as Sanders won in New Hampshire the knives of the moderates and the press went swish swish. A socialist! Must drive him out of the race! There was almost $900K in dark money anti-Sanders ads that got dropped 2 days before tuesday.

    You show me an example of prominent moderates or the media coming out to support them.
    ever heard of Blue no Matter Who? It was started by moderates. It includes Bernie, if he's the nominee. Everyone, less Sanders die-hards, is ready to support *whomever* the blue nominee is.
     

  3. #403
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Location
    Stow, MA
    Posts
    3,780
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Who will challenge Trump? Who you like?

    Quote Originally Posted by bcm119 View Post
    ever heard of Blue no Matter Who? It was started by moderates. It includes Bernie, if he's the nominee. Everyone, less Sanders die-hards, is ready to support *whomever* the blue nominee is.
    That is not active support. When Sanders had momentum after Nevada where was the blue no matter who crowd then?
    Guy Washburn

    Photography > www.guywashburn.com

    There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened.
    --Douglas Adams

  4. #404
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Location
    Stow, MA
    Posts
    3,780
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Who will challenge Trump? Who you like?

    Let's think about this a different way. When I did the WoPo which candidate quiz referenced above, I matched Warren on 15 issues, I matched Sanders on 14 issues. On Biden? 4 issues. What policy inducements do you think Biden might offer to tempt the progressive wing to join the parade?

    A lot of us are yellow dogs, but there is a huge difference between having our votes and the kind of enthusiastic support Biden actually needs...
    Guy Washburn

    Photography > www.guywashburn.com

    There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened.
    --Douglas Adams

  5. #405
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Bay Area
    Posts
    1,179
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Who will challenge Trump? Who you like?

    Quote Originally Posted by guido View Post
    That is not active support. When Sanders had momentum after Nevada where was the blue no matter who crowd then?
    Blue no matter who doesnt mean we all support Bernie in the primary, it means we vote for who we like in the primary, and whomever wins will have unified support in November. So, depending on who wins, moderates could be supporting Bernie or progressives could be supporting Biden, etc. It's the only way to beat Trump, and while it isn't rocket science, it seems to present a real challenge to those who don't have a fundamental grasp of how elections and government actually works.
     

  6. #406
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    DURHAM, North Cackalacky
    Posts
    1,811
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    10 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Who will challenge Trump? Who you like?

    Joe Biden'''s shocking Super Tuesday comeback.

    Plenty of delegates up for grabs but if the writer is right and the establishment prevails with a Biden nomination, I think it will be a bloodbath. RCP has Biden taking DJT in the general but I don't see it. A friend said: coronavirus is the only thing that can hurt DJT right now.

    Anybody read Harper's? From their newsletter this week:

    "The Democratic Party held caucuses in Nevada and a primary election in South Carolina, leaving Vermont senator Bernie Sanders with the most pledged delegates, followed by Joe Biden, who won his first-ever state in his third presidential run. The former mayor of South Bend, Indiana, who spent an undisclosed, seven-figure sum on television ads in 12 of the 14 Super Tuesday states, dropped out of the race, as did Amy Klobuchar, whose campaign spent $4.2 million on ads in Super Tuesday states; both endorsed the former vice president, who mistakenly said at a campaign rally that he was running for a seat in the U.S. Senate and who then told the same crowd that if voters don’t like him they should “vote for the other Biden.” Michael Bloomberg—a former mayor of New York City worth $65 billion who has referred to Mexican clients as “jumping beans,” called women “horse-faced lesbians,” said an employee was “a real Jap,” and bragged that his daughter was “tall and busty”—vowed to continue his campaign to “unite America,” and then told an audience in Texas that if he did not win the nomination he might not support Sanders. Tom Steyer, a former fossil-fuel investor worth $1.6 billion who pledged to use his fortune to “stop climate change” and “realize full equality for women,” ended his campaign; the day before, Steyer had stiffly moved his arms as Juvenile performed “Back That Azz Up” at a campaign rally. At a press conference, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, who was encouraged by the Democratic megadonor Bernard Schwartz to stop Sanders by announcing support for another candidate, acknowledged that, between 2009 and 2016, his PAC had spent $8,638.85 on Junior’s cheesecakes for donors."


    I laughed so hard. It's like these cats are trying to lose.
     

  7. #407
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Chicago
    Posts
    1,558
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    5 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Who will challenge Trump? Who you like?

    Quote Originally Posted by davids View Post
    You might not want to hear this, but your comments reek of paranoia and persecution.
    1. Our position was and is that superdelegates are anti-democratic. If you think that they are a good thing, we have no common ground on this.

    2. There was a lawsuit against the DNC, and the lawyer for the DNC told the judge that they could choose the candidate in a smoky backroom if they felt like it. -- DNC Lawyers Argue DNC Has Right to Pick Candidates in Back Rooms

    3. Saying that "we had a hand in" the compromise implies that we liked the outcome. We didn't. There should be no superdelegates, period, but we couldn't get everything we wanted.

    4. The allowance for superdelegates in the second round clearly is a back door, and was obvious from the very day it was announced. The insiders are happy to have that tool, and have said they are willing to do damage to the party to stop Sanders. Superdelegates willing to risk intraparty damage to block sanders at contested convention

    Keep your smarm to yourself.
     

  8. #408
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    North Shore, MA
    Posts
    1,654
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Who will challenge Trump? Who you like?

    Quote Originally Posted by guido View Post
    I'm a Warred supporter who voted for Bernie because I wanted to do what I could to prevent the moderates from screwing it up again. .
    Umm, doesn't that now make you a Bernie supporter?

    I'm just relieved to see that others in MA (beyond our small test market here on the Salon) see our Senator for what she is.

    Elizabeth Warren has no one to blame but herself for losing Massachusetts

    Liz hasn't dropped out yet, I'm sure she's shopping for a future White House appointed position. But in which camp is she most likely to find one?

    I'd like to see Bloomberg match what he spent on his race - dollar for dollar - to charitable causes. Homeless, Veterans, build a free healthcare clinic in NY, something meaningful with his billions. Just a thought.
     

  9. #409
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Bay Area
    Posts
    1,179
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Who will challenge Trump? Who you like?

    Quote Originally Posted by ericpmoss View Post
    1. Our position was and is that superdelegates are anti-democratic. If you think that they are a good thing, we have no common ground on this.

    2. There was a lawsuit against the DNC, and the lawyer for the DNC told the judge that they could choose the candidate in a smoky backroom if they felt like it. -- DNC Lawyers Argue DNC Has Right to Pick Candidates in Back Rooms

    3. Saying that "we had a hand in" the compromise implies that we liked the outcome. We didn't. There should be no superdelegates, period, but we couldn't get everything we wanted.

    4. The allowance for superdelegates in the second round clearly is a back door, and was obvious from the very day it was announced. The insiders are happy to have that tool, and have said they are willing to do damage to the party to stop Sanders. Superdelegates willing to risk intraparty damage to block sanders at contested convention

    Keep your smarm to yourself.
    What are the reasons the establishment wants to stop Sanders? What are the worst case scenario outcomes for them?
     

  10. #410
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Coquitlam, British Columbia
    Posts
    9,450
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Who will challenge Trump? Who you like?

    Quote Originally Posted by Corso View Post

    I'd like to see Bloomberg match what he spent on his race - dollar for dollar - to charitable causes. Homeless, Veterans, build a free healthcare clinic in NY, something meaningful with his billions. Just a thought.
    His foundation has already made contributions far in excess of that.
    He's given 7.7 billion to the foundation, and the vast majority of his personal wealth
    is pledged, like Bill & Melinda Gates to be given away during his daughter's lifetime.

    it's not that hard to figure out what his foundation has done.
    Bloomberg Philanthropies
    Bloomberg Family Foundation (Bloomberg Philanthropies) - Influence Watch
    EPOst hoc ergo propter hoc

  11. #411
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Melbourne, Australia
    Posts
    1,820
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    5 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Who will challenge Trump? Who you like?

    Quote Originally Posted by Corso View Post
    I'd like to see Bloomberg match what he spent on his race - dollar for dollar - to charitable causes. Homeless, Veterans, build a free healthcare clinic in NY, something meaningful with his billions. Just a thought.
    Maybe Trump can match what Bloomberg spent on his race - dollar for dollar - to charitable causes (and paid to actual charitable causes and not for his campaign and business expenses and in so doing avoiding legal action).

    Wait...yep that's hell freezing over...
     

  12. #412
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Location
    Stow, MA
    Posts
    3,780
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Who will challenge Trump? Who you like?

    ^^ This.
    Guy Washburn

    Photography > www.guywashburn.com

    There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened.
    --Douglas Adams

  13. #413
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Location
    Southern Oregon
    Posts
    1,339
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Who will challenge Trump? Who you like?

    but he donated hiz salary !! good orange boy he is (after cutting funding by way more than his salary).
    Matt Zilliox

  14. #414
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    North Shore, MA
    Posts
    1,654
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Who will challenge Trump? Who you like?

    Quote Originally Posted by BBB View Post
    Maybe Trump can match what Bloomberg spent on his race - dollar for dollar - to charitable causes (and paid to actual charitable causes and not for his campaign and business expenses and in so doing avoiding legal action).

    Wait...yep that's hell freezing over...
    Yeah, it's ALWAYS about Trump isn't it?

    At least you can plan on your insults ahead of time, as it looks like he'll be President for a second term.
     

  15. #415
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Tallahassee, FL
    Posts
    1,380
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Who will challenge Trump? Who you like?

    Haven't fact checked it, to whatever degree that may be possible; haven't looked for other lines of evidence pro or con, but the assertions range from sounding merely reasonable to pretty obvious. I don't think any violate First Princilpes of human behavior:

    Pete Buttigieg Took One for the Anti-Bernie Team

    I fear we're in for, if "lucky", another neo-liberal, establishment democratic president. The exestential or merely vital issues of this era will not get adequately addressed, wealth and power will continue to consolidate and the lower 90% or so of our socioeconomic-economic spectra will continue its its stagnation or slow economic and opportunity decline.

    Apparently the car hasn't quite crashed into the ditch, rolled over and caught fire; we will live in increasingly interesting times.

    I'll vote Blue, no matter who. As many have noted, we're voting for a lot more than a president.
    John Clay
    Tallahassee, FL
    My Framebuilding: https://www.flickr.com/photos/21624415@N04/sets

  16. #416
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Vancouver, WA
    Posts
    560
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Who will challenge Trump? Who you like?

    I voted for Warren--and she's just thrown in the towel. Americans will always, it seems, find the best person to be President and make sure they're not chosen! We'll pick the Huffy over the Singer every fucking time.
     

  17. #417
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Posts
    1,012
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Who will challenge Trump? Who you like?

    Quote Originally Posted by Corso View Post
    Yeah, it's ALWAYS about Trump isn't it?

    At least you can plan on your insults ahead of time, as it looks like he'll be President for a second term.
    If you didn't want people to talk about Trump you should have left his name out of the subject line.
     

  18. #418
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Bellingham, WA
    Posts
    2,068
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Who will challenge Trump? Who you like?

    I'm voting for an open investigation of Trump's tax returns and a declassified Muller Report...nothing more, nothing less.
    Jason Babcock

  19. #419
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Atlanta, GA
    Posts
    466
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Who will challenge Trump? Who you like?

    Quote Originally Posted by Corso View Post
    At least you can plan on your insults ahead of time, as it looks like he'll be President for a second term.
    I'm old enough to remember when it looked like the nation would have its first First Gentleman.

    I'll wager a six pack of Boulevard Tank 7 that you're wrong (assuming Sanders isn't the D nominee).
     

  20. #420
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Bellingham, WA
    Posts
    2,068
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Who will challenge Trump? Who you like?

    Quote Originally Posted by Corso View Post
    At least you can plan on your insults ahead of time, as it looks like he'll be President for a second term.
    I don't think the Republican party realizes that it has created its very own "Hillary" in Trump. You have an electorate that is motivated by the destruction of Trump and his "dynasty" similar to the way many folks refused to let Clinton back into the White House. The Democratic party took hits way down ballot for putting her on the ticket.

    Trump is equivalently toxic for so many folks that the participation in Democratic primary voting is up. People are motivated solely by getting him out of office.If the Democrats can put a long established centrist from Pennsylvania at the top of the ticket, with a tad more left leaning VP...look out.

    P.S.-If I were Biden, I'd see if Nikki Haley wanted to be a Vp on a split ticket.
    Jason Babcock

Similar Threads

  1. If you want to dump Trump....
    By jclay in forum The OT
    Replies: 252
    Last Post: 02-08-2020, 10:41 AM
  2. Replies: 18
    Last Post: 03-18-2018, 08:52 PM
  3. Replies: 54
    Last Post: 01-30-2018, 03:09 PM
  4. Cycling through the Trump years.
    By rabo in forum The OT
    Replies: 101
    Last Post: 01-24-2017, 01:33 PM
  5. Replies: 10
    Last Post: 01-19-2017, 02:19 PM

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •