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    Default Tree Identification Puzzle

    I posted these on Flickr, but I have no confidence in my suggested ID's. These trees are all shaggy barked trees, but none of them is a Shagbark Hickory. I learned long ago from bird field guides that if you have 3 different books then you have three different birds. And none are the bird in the binoculars. Same with trees. And I am making this more difficult but trying to ID from the bark. So these are atypical in that regard but may be perfectly clear once leaves come out. See what you think!

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    I have a book entitled, Bark. Unfortunately not at my elbow. Without looking into the canopy to see the branches, this is really hard. I won't hazard a guess yet.
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    I’m good with leaves or seeing the whole tree-but bark? That’s always been hard for me-

    I’m interested in the answers (assuming we get them)
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    Cool trees, especially the bottom two.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by ides1056 View Post
    I have a book entitled, Bark. Unfortunately not at my elbow. Without looking into the canopy to see the branches, this is really hard. I won't hazard a guess yet.
    I have that book too. That’s what started us off on this level of difficulty. The author is a former grad student of Tom Wessels’, the guy who did a walk-around on our property shortly after we bought it. Forest Forensics is Wessels’ book.
     

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    I know where the trees are on the property so once we get leaves, I’ll update. I am learning there is more crossing and hybrids than I expected. Maples for one. Oaks. I don’t know about Hickory trees. I’ve also realized that bark changes based on soil and moisture - sort of a duh kind of realization I know - so a white oak in dry rocky limestone has different bark features than one growing in a seasonally wet area.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by j44ke View Post
    I have that book too. That’s what started us off on this level of difficulty. The author is a former grad student of Tom Wessels’, the guy who did a walk-around on our property shortly after we bought it. Forest Forensics is Wessels’ book.
    Wait, you got Tom Wessels to walk around on your property? Wow.
    I teach at his institution, (albeit in a different department) - our best-known faculty. He's amazing.

    As for the trees- uh, yeah, I'm a punter when it comes to bark but I would have guessed hickory, as unlikely as that seems.
     

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    Total guess:
    Sugar Maple
    Ash
    Birch

    But these are all atypical.
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    @j44ke Wild guess w/o branching/canopy view and lack of leaves: sugar or silver maple (#1, #2 ); Hop hornbeam (possibly pic #2 , #3 ). I'm in Michigan so am making my guesses based on what I see here.

    Check out iNaturalist. It's a great app to help id things and with the geo location info it will help narrow the suggestions for you.
     

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    We had a shag bark hickory in Cleveland. Talk about a tough nut to crack (without shattering shell/making a mess of meat). Wonderful flavor though.
    looked alot like that. but without foilage, etc hard to know. plus you already ruled that out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ides1056 View Post
    Total guess:
    Sugar Maple
    Ash
    Birch

    But these are all atypical.
    Quote Originally Posted by SpeedyChix View Post
    @j44ke Wild guess w/o branching/canopy view and lack of leaves: sugar or silver maple (#1, #2 ); Hop hornbeam (possibly pic #2 , #3 ). I'm in Michigan so am making my guesses based on what I see here.

    Check out iNaturalist. It's a great app to help id things and with the geo location info it will help narrow the suggestions for you.
    These are good ideas. #1 as silver maple is totally possible, as is sugar maple due to hybridization between the two. I hadn’t considered ash for #2. Need to study up. #3 could definitely be hop hornbeam, but not even the grandpa hop hornbeam (~60’ tall!) we have looks shaggy like that. But hop hornbeams are in the birch family and you can see the family resemblance at least.

    I wondered if #1 could be pignut hickory.

    Next time I am out in the woods I will see if I can get a good canopy shot of each.
    Last edited by j44ke; 04-08-2020 at 07:31 PM.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by monadnocky View Post
    Wait, you got Tom Wessels to walk around on your property? Wow.
    I teach at his institution, (albeit in a different department) - our best-known faculty. He's amazing.

    As for the trees- uh, yeah, I'm a punter when it comes to bark but I would have guessed hickory, as unlikely as that seems.
    That’s my wife - she has this skill for figuring out how to contact people and then to persuade them of something. Tom Wessels was great. Totally smooth in the forest when everyone else is stumbling on sticks and vines.
     

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    Great topic-I love dendrology and often just wander through the woods saying to myself, “shit man-that’s wonderful.”
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    I also thought Hop Hornbeam, but the bark underside of #3 has characteristics of Birch. There are soft maple in some places here that have shag bark.

    I think Shag Bark is a name waiting for a band.
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    Yes, I haven’t seen hop hornbeam with strips that long or that wide and not that birch-like. Most are gray barked and the bark flakes off instead of peels.

    Shag Bark and the Hornbeams? Could be a swing band.
     

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    This sure is a knotty problem, but I'm confident that you'll soon get to the root of it.

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    I can recommend this unreservedly:



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    Pretty sure it's hop-hornbeam aka ironwood.
     

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    I was sitting here wondering whether we had hop-hornbeam here-never heard of them, but Ironwood we have.. so thanks bcm119 for the clarification for me-
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    My in-house enthusiast says #2 is a Hop Hornbeam and 3 is a Shag Bark Hickory
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