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    Actually, I do have words.

    Biden's statement may have lacked a clear call to action, but he is right: It's past time to take action, and step one is the gun lobby.

    Something like 90% of all Americans - D and R - support background checks. But the Senate fails to advance legislation - against the wishes of their constituents - because R senators are in the pocket of the lobby.

    What is needed to take this small step (as background checks alone will not prevent another school shooting), as we need to start somewhere?

    Looking at precedents for social / cultural change, the adoption of the bicycle in the Netherlands is a great example to discuss here:

    The Dutch responded to a boom in vehicular homicide - hundreds of children killed per year - with a grass roots movement known as "Stop Child Murder" which facilitated public policy that restricted vehicle use and promoted bicycling.

    The US needs a similar "stop child murder" movement. The Dutch have shown it's possible.

    How do we do it?

    PS to gun lovers...

    Please keep your hand guns, hunting guns. Enjoy. But show up for kids and families and teachers and LEOs, and agree - no, insist - that full auto military weapons should be legal and rare - i.e., restricted use. You know, like vehicles - licensed, insured, etc. The Constitution provides for liberty, which implies freedom of movement - however it doesn't explicitly mention a right to own and use motor vehicles, and we live in a society where said vehicles are regulated. Similarly, the Constitution did not mention automatic weapons, yet somehow some of us think it's a right to own Howitzers and tactical nukes - whether we are active members of a militia or not. Enough already.

    I hope everyone's kids make it home from school today. And tomorrow. etc.

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    Santana High School.
    Bishop Neumann High School.
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    Lew Wallace High School.
    Martin Luther King, Jr. High School.
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    Washington High School.
    Conception Abbey.
    Benjamin Tasker Middle School.
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    John McDonogh High School.
    Red Lion Area Junior High School.
    Case Western Reserve University.
    Rocori High School.
    Ballou High School.
    Randallstown High School.
    Bowen High School.
    Red Lake Senior High School.
    Harlan Community Academy High School.
    Campbell County High School.
    Milwee Middle School.
    Roseburg High School.
    Pine Middle School.
    Essex Elementary School.
    Duquesne University.
    Platte Canyon High School.
    Weston High School.
    West Nickel Mines School.
    Joplin Memorial Middle School.
    Henry Foss High School.
    Compton Centennial High School.
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    Success Tech Academy.
    Miami Carol City Senior High School.
    Hamilton High School.
    Louisiana Technical College.
    Mitchell High School.
    E.O. Green Junior High School.
    Northern Illinois University.
    Lakota Middle School.
    Knoxville Central High School.
    Willoughby South High School.
    Henry Ford High School.
    University of Central Arkansas.
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    Dunbar High School.
    Hampton University.
    Harvard College.
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    International Studies Academy.
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    Kelly Elementary School.
    Marinette High School.
    Aurora Central High School.
    Millard South High School.
    Martinsville West Middle School.
    Worthing High School.
    Millard South High School.
    Highlands Intermediate School.
    Cape Fear High School.
    Chardon High School.
    Episcopal School of Jacksonville.
    Oikos University.
    Hamilton High School.
    Perry Hall School.
    Normal Community High School.
    University of South Alabama.
    Banner Academy South.
    University of Southern California.
    Sandy Hook Elementary School.
    Apostolic Revival Center Christian School.
    Taft Union High School.
    Osborn High School.
    Stevens Institute of Business and Arts.
    Hazard Community and Technical College.
    Chicago State University.
    Lone Star College-North.
    Cesar Chavez High School.
    Price Middle School.
    University of Central Florida.
    New River Community College.
    Grambling State University.
    Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
    Ossie Ware Mitchell Middle School.
    Ronald E. McNair Discovery Academy.
    North Panola High School.
    Carver High School.
    Agape Christian Academy.
    Sparks Middle School.
    North Carolina A&T State University.
    Stephenson High School.
    Brashear High School.
    West Orange High School.
    Arapahoe High School.
    Edison High School.
    Liberty Technology Magnet High School.
    Hillhouse High School.
    Berrendo Middle School.
    Purdue University.
    South Carolina State University.
    Los Angeles Valley College.
    Charles F. Brush High School.
    University of Southern California.
    Georgia Regents University.
    Academy of Knowledge Preschool.
    Benjamin Banneker High School.
    D. H. Conley High School.
    East English Village Preparatory Academy.
    Paine College.
    Georgia Gwinnett College.
    John F. Kennedy High School.
    Seattle Pacific University.
    Reynolds High School.
    Indiana State University.
    Albemarle High School.
    Fern Creek Traditional High School.
    Langston Hughes High School.
    Marysville Pilchuck High School.
    Florida State University.
    Miami Carol City High School.
    Rogers State University.
    Rosemary Anderson High School.
    Wisconsin Lutheran High School.
    Frederick High School.
    Tenaya Middle School.
    Bethune-Cookman University.
    Pershing Elementary School.
    Wayne Community College.
    J.B. Martin Middle School.
    Southwestern Classical Academy.
    Savannah State University.
    Harrisburg High School.
    Umpqua Community College.
    Northern Arizona University.
    Texas Southern University.
    Tennessee State University.
    Winston-Salem State University.
    Mojave High School.
    Lawrence Central High School.
    Franklin High School.
    Muskegon Heights High School.
    Independence High School.
    Madison High School.
    Antigo High School.
    University of California-Los Angeles.
    Jeremiah Burke High School.
    Alpine High School.
    Townville Elementary School.
    Vigor High School.
    Linden McKinley STEM Academy.
    June Jordan High School for Equity.
    Union Middle School.
    Mueller Park Junior High School.
    West Liberty-Salem High School.
    University of Washington.
    King City High School.
    North Park Elementary School.
    North Lake College.
    Freeman High School.
    Mattoon High School.
    Rancho Tehama Elementary School.
    Aztec High School.
    Wake Forest University.
    Italy High School.
    NET Charter High School.
    Marshall County High School.
    Sal Castro Middle School.
    Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School
    Great Mills High School
    Central Michigan University
    Huffman High School
    Frederick Douglass High School
    Forest High School
    Highland High School
    Dixon High School
    Santa Fe High School
    Noblesville West Middle School
    University of North Carolina Charlotte
    STEM School Highlands Ranch
    Edgewood High School
    Palm Beach Central High School
    Providence Career & Technical Academy
    Fairley High School (school bus)
    Canyon Springs High School
    Dennis Intermediate School
    Florida International University
    Central Elementary School
    Cascade Middle School
    Davidson High School
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    Altascocita High School
    Central Academy of Excellence
    Cleveland High School
    Robert E. Lee High School
    Cheyenne South High School
    Grambling State University
    Blountsville Elementary School
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    Prescott High School
    College of the Mainland
    Wynbrooke Elementary School
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    Second Chance High School
    Carman-Ainsworth High School
    Williwaw Elementary School
    Monroe Clark Middle School
    Central Catholic High School
    Jeanette High School
    Eastern Hills High School
    DeAnza High School
    Ridgway High School
    Reginald F. Lewis High School
    Saugus High School
    Pleasantville High School
    Waukesha South High School
    Oshkosh High School
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    I received the following message from my kids' school last night:

    "It is with great sadness that we reach out to you tonight in response to the tragic events in Texas... Due to this tragedy, we have decided to postpone our “intruder response drill” which was scheduled for tomorrow at 8:15 am.

    While these drills are always important for our staff and students, we recognize that continuing with it tomorrow may provoke more anxiety and stress for our students and staff. We plan on having our morning moment of silence for those victims of today’s tragedy, and we will be providing resources to our staff to help with any conversations that may result throughout the day."

    There was more, but you get the point.

    We are so adapted to this cycle of violence, that we have to reschedule an "intruder response drill" in order to allow the community to process an actual intruder event at another school...

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    I wish that lawmakers were made to view what is undoubtedly an unspeakable scene at Robb Elementary School.

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    But the kinder chocolate eggs importation is prohibited, what more could we do to protect the children?
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    Lots of culture and propaganda to overcome for sensible regulation to re-emerge.
    I have guns, grew up with guns. I learned to shoot at 11 or 12 with a single-shot pistol and single-shot bolt action rifle. Moved up to a regular 6-shot revolver and my great aunt's pump action rifle (22). I see zero need and no truly valid reason for private citizens to have weapons with such rapid semi-auto firepower as are frequently used in mass shootings.

    If hunting, your prey won't hang out when you miss, so work on sight alignment and trigger control.

    If you are paranoid about home defense, get a shotgun and a revolver and learn how to use them. I've lost count of the times on military firing ranges where various semi-auto 45 and 9mm jammed. Never saw a revolver failure on a range. (that said I do own a semi-auto pistol, but know how to break it down and clean it, and have had it for nearly 40 years).

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    I guess there's no danger those kids will read the wrong books now.
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    The statistics here are plenty incentive to regulate gun safety, which includes but is not limited to who is legally allowed to own a gun of any type.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...xceptionalism/

    I am sure that article is behind a paywall, but sometimes if you search for the title contained in the URL, you can read it for free.

    Ted Cruz was pressed by a British reporter and came up looking like a sweaty sputtering man in too small suit. Too bad that a British reporter is required to ask an American politician the tough questions to their face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j44ke View Post
    The statistics here are plenty incentive to regulate gun safety, which includes but is not limited to who is legally allowed to own a gun of any type.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...xceptionalism/

    I am sure that article is behind a paywall, but sometimes if you search for the title contained in the URL, you can read it for free.

    Ted Cruz was pressed by a British reporter and came up looking like a sweaty sputtering man in too small suit. Too bad that a British reporter is required to ask an American politician the tough questions to their face.
    One of the graphics:


    Nicholas Kristof's piece also had some very compelling statistics, and graphics by Bill Marsh:
    How to Reduce Shootings

    This one, "Fewer Guns = Fewer Deaths" shows the gun ownership rates by state, and states in red have gun death rates above the national average of 10.5 per 100,000 people.

    Lowest 5: Hawaii, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New Jersey, New York.
    Highest 5: Vermont, Mississippi, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming.


    This one shows gun death rate per 100,000 people (25 max) on the y axis, and the x axis being weakness of gun laws (weakest on right)

    Stronger gun laws are correlated with lower death rates (lower left)
    The states if red (upper right) received an "F" for gun law grades.
    Last edited by thollandpe; 05-26-2022 at 02:08 PM.
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    No sane person can deny that there is a problem with inappropriate use of guns in the US. It is time to clear the elephants from the room who insist that there is no problem, and that there is nothing we can do about it.

    They always say, “Now is not the time.” Their actions have shown us - They think that NEVER is the time.

    It is time to do something about it. The government actually has suppressed research on this topic (see Dickey amendment). We need to get smart, knowledgeable people working on this, banging ideas into strategies and testing them. Find out what works and what doesn’t. Keep what works.

    As Mark Twain said, “The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and starting on the first one.”

    As davids says, GO !

    By the way, thank you for posting that long list davids
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Walberg View Post
    No sane person can deny that there is a problem with inappropriate use of guns in the US. It is time to clear the elephants from the room who insist that there is no problem, and that there is nothing we can do about it.

    They always say, “Now is not the time.” Their actions have shown us - They think that NEVER is the time.

    It is time to do something about it. The government actually has suppressed research on this topic (see Dickey amendment). We need to get smart, knowledgeable people working on this, banging ideas into strategies and testing them. Find out what works and what doesn’t. Keep what works.

    As Mark Twain said, “The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and starting on the first one.”

    As davids says, GO !

    By the way, thank you for posting that long list davids
    We already know what works. Look at the rest of the developed world.

    Everything that's been put forward has been rejected by gun nuts as unreasonable burden on their "rights" as the shifting definition of the Second Amendment -- aided by increasingly conservative judges -- has become looser and looser.

    Mandated licensing and testing for ownership. Liability insurance requirements for gun owners. Limits on sale of ammunition in bulk. Limits on magazine size. Limits on semi-automatic rifle and handgun sales. Removal of the corporate liability shield for gun manufacturers. Limits on the sale of body armor. Requirement that ammunition be stored separately from a gun itself. Red flag laws and seizure of weapons. A national floor for gun regulation to ensure consistent enforcement of rules across all 50 states.

    All of this would help and would work. All of it is a nonstarter with politicos representing the gun nuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theflashunc View Post
    We already know what works. Look at the rest of the developed world.

    Everything that's been put forward has been rejected by gun nuts as unreasonable burden on their "rights" as the shifting definition of the Second Amendment -- aided by increasingly conservative judges -- has become looser and looser.

    Mandated licensing and testing for ownership. Liability insurance requirements for gun owners. Limits on sale of ammunition in bulk. Limits on magazine size. Limits on semi-automatic rifle and handgun sales. Removal of the corporate liability shield for gun manufacturers. Limits on the sale of body armor. Requirement that ammunition be stored separately from a gun itself. Red flag laws and seizure of weapons. A national floor for gun regulation to ensure consistent enforcement of rules across all 50 states.

    All of this would help and would work. All of it is a nonstarter with politicos representing the gun nuts.
    Just out of curiosity, why the limit on body armor? I only learned that body armor was even regulated when I wanted a vest for myself for safety purposes (use of a gun in small spaces makes me concerned and I thought protecting my vital organs was an obvious thing to do). Are most mass shooters wearing body armor? I know there have been a few high-profile cases but I was not aware of a correlation between body armor and shooting deaths (like the obvious correlations between assault rifles, handguns, extended magazines, bulk ammunitions...etc.). Not trying to challenge your logic here, just genuinely curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Octave View Post
    Just out of curiosity, why the limit on body armor? I only learned that body armor was even regulated when I wanted a vest for myself for safety purposes (use of a gun in small spaces makes me concerned and I thought protecting my vital organs was an obvious thing to do). Are most mass shooters wearing body armor? I know there have been a few high-profile cases but I was not aware of a correlation between body armor and shooting deaths (like the obvious correlations between assault rifles, handguns, extended magazines, bulk ammunitions...etc.). Not trying to challenge your logic here, just genuinely curious.
    Increasingly it's part of the spree shooter package du jour. Get your AR-15, strap on some body armor, and go to town. James Holmes, the Aurora theater shooter who wounded 70, nearly managed to escape the scene as cops thought he was one of them with his tactical gear. Devin Kelley, the Sutherland Springs shooter, survived while wearing body armor.

    So yeah, if it's an item on the shopping list for someone who wants to commit a spree shooting, we should be limiting it's access to the general public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j44ke View Post
    Ted Cruz was pressed by a British reporter and came up looking like a sweaty sputtering man in too small suit. Too bad that a British reporter is required to ask an American politician the tough questions to their face.
    Isn't that how he always looks?

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    Isn't that how he always looks?
    “Oleaginous.” That’s the best (family friendly) adjective for Cruz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HorsCat View Post
    “Oleaginous.” That’s the best (family friendly) adjective for Cruz.
    Not derail things BUT yeah that was good.

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    In 2016, some dark-horse, long-shot, jack-ass, fat-fuck, comb-over, serial-rapist carnival barker politician said “They're laughing at us, at our stupidity”.

    Turns out that he was wrong, just like he was about a lot of things. Because they’re crying with us.

    Texas shooting: America is killing itself, as the Republican Party looks the other way — Le Monde

    A young Texan killed 19 students and two teachers at an elementary school in Ulvade on Tuesday. In the face of tragedy after tragedy, Republican elected officials continue to oppose any legislation that would regulate the gun market.

    Carnage at an American school, the endless distress of families, a solemn speech from the president, then nothing, until the next one. Americans know this cycle of despair by heart since the Sandy Hook massacre in 2012. The one in Parkland, in 2018, changed nothing despite the exceptional activism of students who had escaped. They believed it was possible to bring a country sick of its violence back to its senses and remind elected officials of their responsibilities, but they failed. If there is any American exceptionalism, it is to tolerate the fact that schools in the United States are regularly transformed into bloody shooting ranges.

    The unbearable happened this time in the small town of Uvalde, Texas, and took the lives of 19 students and two teachers of an elementary school just two days before vacation. The 18-year-old alleged perpetrator was killed by law enforcement. This tragedy came 10 days after a racially-motivated mass shooting at a New York state supermarket and another at a California church. In each case, the determination of the alleged killers was not met with any legal safeguards that would have complicated access to the firearms used.

    Indeed, America is killing itself and the Republican Party is looking the other way, ideologically complicit in one tragedy after another. Decades of brainwashing have meant that its elected representatives no longer need even the iron grip of the main gun lobby, the National Rifle Association, which is riddled with crises, to oppose the slightest legislation that would provide a framework for this particularly lucrative market. The defense of the Second Amendment right to bear arms, understood in its most absolutist sense, has become a quasi-sacred duty that now escapes any questioning. The families of victims must be content with the prayers of elected officials, who are not stingy with them.

    Thus, the state that was the scene of the last bloodbath after eight other mass shootings in 13 years found nothing better, just a year ago, than to abolish gun permits for people aged 21 or older. "It's time" for Texas to align itself with the most lenient states in this area, argued the governor of this solid conservative bastion, Greg Abbott.

    More and more guns: This is the only Republican credo. Americans bought nearly 20 million guns in 2021, the second-largest amount in American history. They also had more than 20,000 gun deaths, not counting suicides, which are even more numerous, and 693 shootings resulted in four or more injuries. Republicans are clearly unable to establish a causal link between the two phenomena. One despairs to imagine them expending the same energy to prevent killings, the perpetrators of which are overwhelmingly men, as they expend selflessly to prevent women from having control over their own bodies.

    The dictatorship of the minority had already wielded its power after the Sandy Hook massacre when the Senate wanted to pass background checks for gun buyers, a common sense measure supported by an overwhelming majority of Americans. Elected officials representing 118 million of their fellow citizens were able to defeat those nominated by 194 million. There is every reason to believe that the same would be true today in this country trapped in this madness.
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    One serious point and then I'll explode with some frustration.

    First Heller vs D.C. has destroyed this country. Could not have been more wrongly decided and much of the violence today springs from that disaster of a decision. Owning guns is one thing but they must be regulated. Far too many ways to avoid background checks and those under 21, who can't drink , gamble in a casino and marry in some states are allowed to own guns? It's ridiculous. Someone wants to shoot a weapon let them join the army and learn how to do so under supervision.

    Now the rant. Texas today feels more like a 3rd world country than a state. What is Abbot running? The power grid doesn't work, women are denied abortion, books are burned, minorities are discouraged from voting, police don't protect children -Mike G

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    One serious point and then I'll explode with some frustration.

    First Heller vs D.C. has destroyed this country. Could not have been more wrongly decided and much of the violence today springs from that disaster of a decision. Owning guns is one thing but they must be regulated. Far too many ways to avoid background checks and those under 21, who can't drink , gamble in a casino and marry in some states are allowed to own guns? It's ridiculous. Someone wants to shoot a weapon let them join the army and learn how to do so under supervision.

    Now the rant. Texas today feels more like a 3rd world country than a state. What is Abbot running? The power grid doesn't work, women are denied abortion, books are burned, minorities are discouraged from voting, police don't protect children -Mike G
    Agree 100% on your second point. I hesitate to say it, but what does this portend for DeSantis to do next week? He’s got to be beside himself seeing Abbott in the (MAGA) spotlight like this, and these two governors and their respective states seem to be in a race to the bottom with regards to being functional places for US citizens to live these days.

    I can only hope a reckoning is coming for the gun nuts, but my hopes are not high.
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    I wonder what new depths of warped logic will emerge from the NRA convention Friday. With both Trump and Abbott speaking, the real problem was the election was stolen. It's always time to talk about that.

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