User Tag List

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 22

Thread: Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Supreme Court justice Dies at 87

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Location
    Stow, MA
    Posts
    4,150
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    9 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Supreme Court justice Dies at 87

    Last edited by guido; 09-18-2020 at 08:47 PM.
    Guy Washburn

    Photography > www.guywashburn.com
    "I think that the whole Republican Party has been put in a position, with a few notable exceptions, of being mildly intimidated by the sitting President." Joe Biden, President Elect.
    “A lawsuit without provable facts showing a statutory or constitutional violation is just a tweet with a filing fee,” said Justin Levitt, a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles.
    “Instructions for living a life: Pay attention. Be astonished. Tell about it.”
    – Mary Oliver

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    santa barbara CA
    Posts
    477
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Supreme Court justice Dies at 87

    A great historic, courageous American hero lost, the passing of Notorious RBG will be felt for years, I am sad beyond words. RIP, may your last wishes be granted.
    Take care of yourself in this time of crisis and realize sadness, anger and grief are part of the process Brian Clare

  3. #3
    Join Date
    May 2020
    Posts
    6
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Supreme Court justice Dies at 87

    Rest in peace. I hope one of her last wishes comes true:

    Just days before her death, as her strength waned, Ginsburg dictated this statement to her granddaughter Clara Spera: "My most fervent wish is that I will not be replaced until a new president is installed."

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Posts
    535
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Supreme Court justice Dies at 87

    “The American people should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice. Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new president." Moscow Mitch, March 2016

    “#pedotrump's nominee will receive a vote on the floor of the United States Senate.” Moscow Mitch, 9-18-2020

    Hey, fuck you Moscow Mitch

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Western MA
    Posts
    3,187
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Supreme Court justice Dies at 87

    Jay Dwight

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    South of No North
    Posts
    3,701
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Supreme Court justice Dies at 87

    Now cracks a noble heart.—Good night, sweet Justice,
    And flights of angels sing thee to thy rest!

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Berkeley, CA
    Posts
    2,605
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Supreme Court justice Dies at 87

    John Lewis and RBG.

    Goes without saying, but I'm saying it anyways, fuck cancer.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Olympia, WA.
    Posts
    1,839
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Supreme Court justice Dies at 87

    I understand the anger and pain.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=o6iaSWSB7rE

  9. #9
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    DC
    Posts
    25,345
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    24 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Supreme Court justice Dies at 87

    May she rest well, her loved ones find peace knowing a truly significant woman has passed from this life into history.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    3,035
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Supreme Court justice Dies at 87

    I hate to defile this thread with the following statement, but in this day and age, after having read the story at the link below I couldn't help but think this:

    >>>> In a zillion years I can't image our current President writing this sort of story: https://nyti.ms/33IgP9C

    "My Unlikely Friendship With Ruth Bader Ginsburg"

    I was a young, African-American Southerner, working in a Republican administration. But I loved Bach’s Goldberg Variations, and that was enough for her.

  11. #11
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    DC
    Posts
    25,345
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    24 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Supreme Court justice Dies at 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Mabouya View Post
    I hate to defile this thread with the following statement, but in this day and age, after having read the story at the link below I couldn't help but think this:

    >>>> In a zillion years I can't image our current President writing this sort of story: https://nyti.ms/33IgP9C

    "My Unlikely Friendship With Ruth Bader Ginsburg"

    I was a young, African-American Southerner, working in a Republican administration. But I loved Bach’s Goldberg Variations, and that was enough for her.
    Thanks for that. Creative perspectives do make the world a better place.

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    1,073
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Supreme Court justice Dies at 87

    So, Supreme Court appointments are clearly partisan and deeply political.

    Given that, can someone mansplain to me why appointments are for life but a President can only serve two terms?

    Came up again last night and I can’t come up with a rationale that comes close to making sense
    Colin Mclelland

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Posts
    326
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Supreme Court justice Dies at 87

    president limited to prevent exactly the lifetime authoritarian system our founders escaped
    justices lifetime to give them independence from the branches that nominate and confirm them--those branches are by virtue of functions and term limits more short-term focused, and influenced by passions and acute situations. The justices being lifelong are free to hopefully have long term vision and commitment to founding principles and law.

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Melbourne, Australia
    Posts
    1,950
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    6 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Supreme Court justice Dies at 87

    A couple of points:

    The lifetime authoritarian system was a monarchy with parliamentary democracy (albeit it had a bit of a way to go to be more democratic in the 1700s). They were not escaping a brutal dictatorship. And the two term limit only came in after Roosevelt died.

    I get the independence point, in theory. But, it does not really work as envisaged. The latest nominee (young, ultra conservative) has been chosen for political purposes. They know it. She knows it. She attends a function in her honour in the White House. The optics of this look terrible (and indeed the function seems to have laid low a number of people with the virus, thus re-enforcing the amateur hour point of view of the current White House). As soon as you insert politics into the judiciary, it undermines the judiciary.

    And finally, you don't need life time appointment (imo) to be independent. 10, 15, 20 years of occupying high office free from interference from other branches of government is more than sufficient to be independent.

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    1,073
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Supreme Court justice Dies at 87

    Thanks! but...

    Surely the electorate can be trusted to vote for someone new. If someone wants a regime they’ll just over rule the two term limit wont they? Given decent politicians are so rare it just seems a shame to me to put a time limit on one if you eventually get one.

    Wouldn’t a supreme court judge feel just as independent with a 20 year term? But mostly, how does anyone even pretend it’s independent when the appointments are so absurdly partisan?
    Colin Mclelland

  16. #16
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    South of No North
    Posts
    3,701
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Supreme Court justice Dies at 87

    John Adams wrote the following in his Thoughts on Government in 1776:

    THE dignity and stability of government in all its branches, the morals of the people and every blessing of society, depends so much upon an upright and skillful administration of justice, that the judicial power ought to be distinct from both the legislative and executive, and independent upon both, that so it may be a check upon both, as both should be checks upon that. The Judges therefore should always be men of learning and experience in the laws, of exemplary morals, great patience, calmness, coolness and attention. Their minds should not be distracted with jarring interests; they should not be dependant upon any man or body of men. To these ends they should hold estates for life in their offices, or in other words their commissions should be during good behaviour, and their salaries ascertained and established by law. For misbehaviour the grand inquest of the Colony, the House of Representatives, should impeach them before the Governor and Council, where they should have time and opportunity to make their defence, but if convicted should be removed from their offices, and subjected to such other punishment as shall be thought proper.
    There’s probably a section of the Federalist Papers that defends lifetime appointments of Supreme Court justices, but the rationale is likely pretty similar. Not sure if Montesquieu got into that level of detail in his writings on separation of powers.

  17. #17
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    New York City
    Posts
    17,911
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    18 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Supreme Court justice Dies at 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Colinmclelland View Post
    Thanks! but...

    Surely the electorate can be trusted to vote for someone new. If someone wants a regime they’ll just over rule the two term limit wont they? Given decent politicians are so rare it just seems a shame to me to put a time limit on one if you eventually get one.

    Wouldn’t a supreme court judge feel just as independent with a 20 year term? But mostly, how does anyone even pretend it’s independent when the appointments are so absurdly partisan?
    The President can’t just over rule term limits. The President has zero power in that regard. The term limit for the office of President is specified in the Constitution of the United States of America as the 22nd amendment. To change that rule, Congress would have to vote to repeal and then 3/4’s of the 50 states would have to ratify that repeal in order for it to go into effect. That’s very difficult to accomplish and takes so long that anyone in power as President would be out of power before the ratification is completed.

    No one thinks that judges are independent or non-partisan. They are human and one hopes that they are at least scholars. The goal is to create an institution that over time effects the environment of independence and non-partisanship and thereby becomes - again, over time and perhaps even only in retrospect - representative of the country’s view of what justice is, while buffering the legal system from more cataclysmic changes that would come from a disregard for history and legal precedent.

  18. #18
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Western MA
    Posts
    3,187
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Supreme Court justice Dies at 87

    The suggestion that previous courts have been "liberal" strikes me as specious. They have been progressive, I think, in the sense that “the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.” Incremental progress has been made toward "a more perfect union," and the self-evident truth which is the cornerstone of the Declaration of Independence.

    But successive administrations and courts are like rivers that suddenly change course, sometimes dramatically. Barret, if confirmed, may move the majority away from the course Roberts would have charted, were the court more balanced.
    Jay Dwight

  19. #19
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    The Pacific Midwest
    Posts
    5,546
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    5 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Supreme Court justice Dies at 87

    If Amy Coney Barrett is appointed as a Supreme Court Justice, she’ll be the first non-Ivy Leaguer to have been appointed in a long time...that would apply to Biden (non-Ivy leaguer) too if he is elected President. tRump, Obama, W, Clinton, George HW Bush...32 years in a row. There have been 114 SCJ’s, 49 have had law degrees and 32 of those have their degree from an Ivy League law school. All of the current SJC’s have their law degree from an Ivy League school and the last SJC who didn’t, retired in 2010.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...supreme-court/

    https://roanoke.com/opinion/editoria...898e1f68b.html
    rw saunders
    everything is connected

  20. #20
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    New York City
    Posts
    17,911
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    18 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Supreme Court justice Dies at 87

    Justice Souter who was picked by Bush started voting with the conservatives and ended up voting with the more liberal justices. Justice Powell was picked by Nixon and lived to regret supporting the death penalty and voting to uphold anti-sodomy laws during his term. Justice Blackmun wrote Roe v. Wade. He was also picked by Nixon. Justice Kagan who was picked by Obama has voted with Justice Roberts 78% of the time.

    The 5-4 cases are often the most newsworthy, but RBG used to say all the time, most cases are 9-0 votes - unanimous decisions. 5-4 is only 19% of cases. 9-0 is 36% and 7-2 & 8-1 are 15%.
    Last edited by j44ke; 10-04-2020 at 07:41 PM.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 20
    Last Post: 03-17-2014, 05:47 PM
  2. RIP: Ruth Asawa
    By false_aesthetic in forum The OT
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 08-09-2013, 10:56 AM
  3. Justice Dept v You Know Who
    By chasea in forum General Discussion
    Replies: 30
    Last Post: 04-24-2013, 05:38 PM
  4. obama misuses supreme court
    By SteveP in forum General Discussion
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 11-06-2008, 08:52 AM

Bookmarks

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •