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    Default Daily Bread fresh baked every day: Topics to share and discuss

    Sharing daily topics from publications. Use links to the cited source. We will comment for a max of 24 hrs. than we move on to the next share. That's the basic premise.

    I'll start: Opinion | I’m a Black Feminist. I Think Call-Out Culture Is Toxic. - The New York Times

    What caught my ear were a few things Loretta Ross wrote. First was her admirable history working directly with people whom she considered toxic. Her abilities, approaches were so credible that folks seek her out to instill new light on their own cultural identities which very well off from her own. She quotes Shaw “Never wrestle with a pig,” as George Bernard Shaw said. “You both get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.” This might intimate you should dismiss opinions which differ from your own. Not really, Ross's approach is to stay calm, establish some way to relate, listen and establish grounds for sharing yours and their life experiences. Outrage really does not work and neither do ignorance.
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    Great article. At least the part I could read above the paywall. With the increase in mass shootings, crime, societal breakdown, gun control, lack of gun control, khardashians, incivility...........nothing NOTHING, not nuclear war NOTHING frightens me more than the fact we are quickly losing the ability to have friendly, respectful discussions with folks we don't agree with.

    Bill Mahr can't speak at Berkley, Sarah Silverman being fired from movies...... the 'gotcha' game increases the intensity of the incivility on both sides......... this is a serious problem its getting bad out there.
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    Thanks Glenn, that is definitely something I care deeply about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Too Tall View Post
    Ross's approach is to stay calm, establish some way to relate, listen and establish grounds for sharing yours and their life experiences. Outrage really does not work and neither do ignorance.
    Some good-faith debate techniques can help; start by discussing key definitions so you share the same meanings of important terms,
    then move to outlining a number of related issues on which you agree. By beginning with agreement, it can be easier to focus on
    what goals you share, and why the discussion is worth having. If the point is "dunking on", or "virtue signalling", just back away.

    -g
    EPOst hoc ergo propter hoc

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    In before the lock. I'm starting my MA in American History program. One of the initial readings is regarding the viewpoint and beliefs of the historian recording history. If history is presented to be slanted or prejudiced in a certain way and it's not question or refuted, then it becomes the predominate "side of the story". This history is used to make points, win arguments, and lecture others. History is way more complex than that if you have the time and desire to dig deeper. Most of us don't.

    What I see too often in media and politics (not much difference these days) is a cherry picking of facts meant to bolster one's beliefs. Even if it's a total misrepresentation of an actual event or a sound bite that supports a opposing view but is not representative of the entire statement. This leads to outrage and argument and it's wrecking our civility.

    Thanks for doing this Josh, I'll try to contribute as I progress through my studies.
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    Nice Bill. I'm going to task you with contribution of the next topic / link.

    Looking forward to this.

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    (for discussion, and fair use which I post from WAPO. Without checks and balances, you get tyranny. Doesn't matter if its left or right.)


    By Cindy McCain

    (Washington Post) -- Cindy McCain is chair of the board of trustees of the McCain Institute for International Leadership at Arizona State University.

    My late husband, John McCain, loved a good fight for a good cause, and he had more than a few spirited encounters with colleagues on both sides of the aisle. He believed it was right and necessary to argue about differences on issues and in governing philosophies. And, as he often remarked, a fight not joined is a fight not enjoyed.

    But John never sacrificed civility. He liked and respected most of his colleagues, however heated their debates could be. He was known for his bipartisan friendships. He made friends easily, and he was good company. But that isn't the only reason many of his colleagues and many Americans miss him. I think he's missed most because he understood that a country like ours, a government system like ours — with its checks and balances and its protections for the rights of the minority — doesn't permit one side to have everything its way on the great questions of the day.

    Most important, he had devoted his entire adult life to the service of the country he loved. He recognized that Americans, for all of our disagreements and rancorous political debates, faced common problems and that elected officials shared common responsibilities to help solve them.

    Our system has many merits. No other government so well protects the freedom and well-being of the people, who are its masters. It is based on the consent of the governed and committed to the belief that all people are created equal and entitled to equal justice. Most Americans share that common conviction, which is so much more important than all our policy differences. But ours is probably not the most efficient form of government. We have no kings or dictators to snap their fingers and demand action. We have to debate and bargain to get anything done. That can be frustrating to partisans, who believe passionately in the policies they advocate.

    John was a passionate partisan. But he was a statesman, too, and statesmen accept the necessity of cooperation and compromise to make some progress on the challenges our country faces. Sometimes all government can manage is very modest progress on the toughest problems, muddling through rather than enacting sweeping change. But muddling through is better than nothing, which is what partisan gridlock produces. Indeed, muddling through seems quite an achievement in these difficult times.

    Sunday will be the first anniversary of John's passing, a time of reflection and remembrance for his family and friends. I know he wouldn't want us to dwell on his absence but on happier times when he was with us. He would want the country to commemorate his passing by appreciating the values of service to this country and the statesmanship he tried to practice. He would urge Congress and the administration to work together to help solve the United States' problems. So today, I am asking all Americans to take a pledge of civility by committing to causes larger than ourselves and joining together across the aisle or whatever divides us to make the world a better place.

    The anger some Americans feel for people with opposing views seems to have become more vitriolic and intense. At times, given the amplifying power of social media, our differences, which are fewer and less important than the shared values that are supposed to unite us, appear to be all-consuming.

    However sharp our differences, however vigorous and even intemperate our debates have been, they shouldn't prevent us from respecting each other, from valuing each other's dignity. That's so contrary to our founding convictions and to genuine greatness — an individual's greatness and the country's. Civility is something John knew instinctively. And he knew, too, that our debates should try to persuade and not just defeat our opponents and that they shouldn't paralyze either side from acting together when necessary to defend our country's common interests and values.

    When Congress returns from its August recess, I hope its veteran members, many of whom my husband was proud to call his friends, and its newest ones will energetically contest the issues of the day. I hope they will fight for their beliefs and enjoy the contest. But I hope, too, as John would, that they do it with minds open to the possibility of compromise for the country's sake, and hearts open to the possibility and joys of unexpected friendships. I believe most Americans would find great value in that approach to politics and governing, and to well-lived lives. It is time to inspire a renewal of civil engagement that is so critical to meet the challenges of the future.

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    Default Re: Daily Bread fresh baked every day: Topics to share and discuss

    How do you want to work this? I've got a new topic, is it another post in this thread or a new beginning?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbill View Post
    How do you want to work this? I've got a new topic, is it another post in this thread or a new beginning?
    Let's use this thread. Just pile on. We might have several discussions.

    Vertical-one - That is a good reflection. Without comment, because I take all of this to be real and true, what is the reply when our system of civility is gored by the very rules which allow it?

    Law is law is law is law. Conventions on the other hand are honored not litigated....mostly.

    BTW thanks for this reflection one year after.
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    Power of Story. It's not exactly new but it's seeing a resurgence. A company often wants to see how a person will fit in their culture, how well they'll play with others. You can fill a resume with all kinds of data, qualifications, and education, but without the person's story it's just a data sheet. You need to know the path the person took to reach their current place in the world. When I was living in Paris, TX I was on the STEM and CTE (career training education) advisory boards. I worked with faculty and students and one of my pet peeves was having students learn about influential people based on their accomplishments. It's not the accomplishment, it's the path that prepared them to be successful. You can take an accomplished person such as Mae Jemison and say "she's a physician, professor, engineer, and astronaut" but that doesn't tell her story, just the titles she's earned. This is an interesting piece from Forbes:

    The Power Of Story

    This morning I'm presenting my Power of Story to a group of new hires. It's in my objectives for the year and being pushed from the top down by the CEO. I think it's important that we realize the factors, events, and people who shaped us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbill View Post
    Power of Story. It's not exactly new but it's seeing a resurgence. A company often wants to see how a person will fit in their culture, how well they'll play with others. You can fill a resume with all kinds of data, qualifications, and education, but without the person's story it's just a data sheet. You need to know the path the person took to reach their current place in the world. When I was living in Paris, TX I was on the STEM and CTE (career training education) advisory boards. I worked with faculty and students and one of my pet peeves was having students learn about influential people based on their accomplishments. It's not the accomplishment, it's the path that prepared them to be successful. You can take an accomplished person such as Mae Jemison and say "she's a physician, professor, engineer, and astronaut" but that doesn't tell her story, just the titles she's earned. This is an interesting piece from Forbes:

    The Power Of Story

    This morning I'm presenting my Power of Story to a group of new hires. It's in my objectives for the year and being pushed from the top down by the CEO. I think it's important that we realize the factors, events, and people who shaped us.
    Many psychotherapists are realizing the power of story, most notably as it is worked in narrative therapy, a school of postmodern psychotherapeutic thought which maintains that our notion of "self" is just a story we tell ourselves, albeit a privileged one, for a variety of structural reasons, over other, less privileged alternatives (but alternatives that are just as valid). It's breathtaking to watch narrative folks at work, to witness them assisting clients in re-storying certain aspects of their lives. It's really taken off in some areas of the world (one of the progenitors is from Australia, where it has a huge following); although not as common in the US, certain tenets have definitely infiltrated other psychotherapeutic camps.

    Stories have a lot of power.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by monadnocky View Post
    Stories have a lot of power.
    I think it was Chomsky who posited that the defining attribute of our species is the ability to make meaning, typically through narrative.

    Stories are pretty much all we've got, after blood and guts.

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    Something happy for this Friday. It's about 70 years late in happening, but it's a lot better than nothing. BTW, part of what got it approved was public input via petitions. Maybe not decisive, but not irrelevant.

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    There are wildlife overpasses on Highway 93 between Kingman, AZ and Henderson, NV. Highway 93 will eventually be I-11. The main purpose is for bighorn sheep to migrate and move around their territory. Fences were built to funnel wildlife towards the overpass. Every once in a while I'll see one standing in the road but I can't recall ever seeing a roadkill. I think there are some on I-40 in AZ as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbill View Post
    In before the lock. I'm starting my MA in American History program. One of the initial readings is regarding the viewpoint and beliefs of the historian recording history. If history is presented to be slanted or prejudiced in a certain way and it's not question or refuted, then it becomes the predominate "side of the story". This history is used to make points, win arguments, and lecture others. History is way more complex than that if you have the time and desire to dig deeper. Most of us don't.

    What I see too often in media and politics (not much difference these days) is a cherry picking of facts meant to bolster one's beliefs. Even if it's a total misrepresentation of an actual event or a sound bite that supports a opposing view but is not representative of the entire statement. This leads to outrage and argument and it's wrecking our civility.

    Thanks for doing this Josh, I'll try to contribute as I progress through my studies.
    The victors write the history books for sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve garro View Post
    The victors write the history books for sure

    - Garro.
    Unless there are no winners... Pretty sure the cockroaches can't write...
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    Quote Originally Posted by guido View Post
    Unless there are no winners... Pretty sure the cockroaches can't write...
    When we are gone the survivors, whatever they are, will adapt and evolve and become the dominant species on earth. They may be microbes, but something will survive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by guido View Post
    Unless there are no winners... Pretty sure the cockroaches can't write...
    Ever read "The Dog Stars?"

    I think that where we are headed ASAP.

    I have no hope for us, sorry.

    So long & thanks for all the fish !!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Saab2000 View Post
    When we are gone the survivors, whatever they are, will adapt and evolve and become the dominant species on earth. They may be microbes, but something will survive.
    Yep.

    It's amazing what lives and what doesn't.

    Like, Dinos didn't, but ducks did, virtually unchanged, even.

    They don't write, AFAIK

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saab2000 View Post
    When we are gone the survivors, whatever they are, will adapt and evolve and become the dominant species on earth. They may be microbes, but something will survive.
    DNA (or even RNA) doesn't particularly care about the envelope in which it exists.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by monadnocky View Post
    DNA (or even RNA) doesn't particularly care about the envelope in which it exists.
    Bananas for instance.

    Nice Hitch Hikers reference. Anti-peril glasses on, thanks for the warning.

    I like Bill's link and am thinking about it. That's all.

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