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    Default Who makes team Jumbo-Visma's jackets and rainwear? Fire them.

    Talk about bad publicity. Following the Giro, on the Stelvio stage, not one, but several of the Jumbo-Visma riders could not get their jackets on properly for the freezing descent off the Stelvio. Think it was Kelderman who eventually threw the jacket to the side of the road and went down the descent without one.

    And now Roglic in the Vuelta has the same problem with a rain jacket, forcing him to stop and fiddle with it and needing the whole team to pace him back to the pack.

    Who makes that stuff? And how can it be so bad?

    Edit: my bad. Two different teams, Sunweb in Giro, J-V in Vuelta. Thanks for setting me straight.

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    Default Re: Who makes team Jumbo-Visma's jackets and rainwear? Fire them.

    Probably not the fault of the jacket manufacturer. More likely the result of lack of preparation by the team. As mentioned in the other thread, something this basic needs to be practiced in advance. It doesn't just work to remove the jackets from their packaging and then hand them to riders.

    Riders and teams need to be ready.

    In the 1988 Giro it's my understanding that the 7-Eleven team was ready for the weather and other teams less so. The result was a win by Andy Hampsten.
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    Default Re: Who makes team Jumbo-Visma's jackets and rainwear? Fire them.

    Quote Originally Posted by thomas View Post
    Talk about bad publicity. Following the Giro, on the Stelvio stage, not one, but several of the Jumbo-Visma riders could not get their jackets on properly for the freezing descent off the Stelvio. Think it was Kelderman who eventually threw the jacket to the side of the road and went down the descent without one.

    And now Roglic in the Vuelta has the same problem with a rain jacket, forcing him to stop and fiddle with it and needing the whole team to pace him back to the pack.

    Who makes that stuff? And how can it be so bad?
    Keldermann and Hindley are riding for team Sunweb, not Jumbo-Visma.

    I believe the issue is more about not thinking about sizing up for those days where the fingers are dumb from the cold as well as practicing a bit for it. Also in the sunweb case at the giro Hindley was trying to put what looked more like a long sleeve jerseys on top of its regular jerseys. Not a dedicated a rain/wind jacket. They were definitely too tight so to me it looks it was more like a bad choice of gear/size than an equipment brand issue.
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    Default Re: Who makes team Jumbo-Visma's jackets and rainwear? Fire them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saab2000 View Post
    Probably not the fault of the jacket manufacturer. More likely the result of lack of preparation by the team. As mentioned in the other thread, something this basic needs to be practiced in advance. It doesn't just work to remove the jackets from their packaging and then hand them to riders.

    Riders and teams need to be ready.

    In the 1988 Giro it's my understanding that the 7-Eleven team was ready for the weather and other teams less so. The result was a win by Andy Hampsten.
    That was more attributable to Vaseline than to apparel.

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    Default Re: Who makes team Jumbo-Visma's jackets and rainwear? Fire them.

    Quote Originally Posted by e-RICHIE View Post
    That was more attributable to Vaseline than to apparel.
    I thought, per this account. among others, that they sent the soigneurs to ski shops to buy up all the gloves and hats they could find which made a big difference... https://www.eurosport.com/cycling/gi...87/story.shtml

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    Default Re: Who makes team Jumbo-Visma's jackets and rainwear? Fire them.

    Quote Originally Posted by davist View Post
    I thought, per this account. among others, that they sent the soigneurs to ski shops to buy up all the gloves and hats they could find which made a big difference... https://www.eurosport.com/cycling/gi...87/story.shtml
    That was my understanding as well. Anyway, it's all part of being prepared.

    Easy for me to say sitting in front of my laptop in a warm house with my coffee.......
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    Default Re: Who makes team Jumbo-Visma's jackets and rainwear? Fire them.

    It is not the gear manufacturer, it is the gear. Modern gear is very trim fitting. Hard to pull on over other clothing.
    Double hard when you are going slow up a steep climb, front end starts to wander.
    Triple hard when you are wet. The jacket sticks on your wet clothing.
    Zipping is an issue too. Once you get the jacket or vest on- it becomes a sail. The wind fills the jacket, pulls it back and then you have a hard time pulling the sides together to zip.
    Front end closure might be the main thing to work on. Many new garments have small zippers that are hard to operate. Velcro is a good solution for pros, but not for us. The velcro tends to catch on bibs and pill up the fabric.

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    Default Re: Who makes team Jumbo-Visma's jackets and rainwear? Fire them.

    Velcro can win you the race. A rain jacket on a descend is huge.

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    Default Re: Who makes team Jumbo-Visma's jackets and rainwear? Fire them.

    I have Assos, Sportful, Vermarc and Rapha rain or vests hanging in my closet
    All of them have the narrowest zipper width possible. I assume this is to keep the water out but it makes them almost impossible to zip up while riding. Some have flaps to cover the end of the zipper. I usually cut these off as it is impossible to fold it back while riding. The Rapha zipper is so tiny I can barely get it working even standing still.
    Good industrial design project; make a giant entry box for a narrow zipper.
    And make the whole thing white or flor yellow.

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    Default Re: Who makes team Jumbo-Visma's jackets and rainwear? Fire them.

    The comments about the zippers are spot on. They are tiny and often hard to engage while standing still, let alone while riding no-handed in the rain beginning a descent.
    Last edited by Saab2000; 10-26-2020 at 10:37 AM. Reason: grammar.....
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    Default Re: Who makes team Jumbo-Visma's jackets and rainwear? Fire them.

    I have a Rapha Pro Team rain 'cape.' It has two velcro tabs on the front in addition to the zipper, which is somewhat old school and pretty large. Definitely a different zipper than the regular Rapha rain jacket, which lacks the velcro tabs and has a much smaller zipper.

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    Default Re: Who makes team Jumbo-Visma's jackets and rainwear? Fire them.

    Sunweb's clothing sponsor is Craft, whose Dineema bib shorts were used by Marc Hirshi to slide across the road in the TdF.

    Jumbo-Visma's clothing sponsor is AGU. https://agu.com

    I said in the Vuelta thread that I think the design goal should be a system of clothing with a core piece that doesn't get removed - meaning a jacket or similar garment that can handle a range of temps but still keep the core dry/warm as needed. Right now, I think the Gabba Ros/Perfetto/Nanoflex system from Castelli does that the best, just watching how infrequently Ineos gets bogged down by garment changes and how often the whole team shows up at the finish still wearing either the short-sleeved jacket or the vest.

    Of course it also pays to have someone on your team like Michal Kwiatkowski who seems able to carry anything with him on a bike. Bottles, jackets, warmers or Caleb Ewan.

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    Think Kwia was just checking to make sure his stem and bars passed the stress test QC.

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    Default Re: Who makes team Jumbo-Visma's jackets and rainwear? Fire them.

    Quote Originally Posted by davist View Post
    I thought, per this account. among others, that they sent the soigneurs to ski shops to buy up all the gloves and hats they could find which made a big difference... https://www.eurosport.com/cycling/gi...87/story.shtml


    I was (mis)remembering this factoid:
    each rider was covered in lanolin
    ...and believe it to be the foremost contributor to the storyline.

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    Default Re: Who makes team Jumbo-Visma's jackets and rainwear? Fire them.

    Must be. Otherwise, he would have just slipped Ewan into a jersey pocket
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    Default Re: Who makes team Jumbo-Visma's jackets and rainwear? Fire them.

    These stories make me wonder if they had jackets AND vests in the car. Once the arm-and-sleeve problem presents itself, instruct the rider to ditch the jacket and take the vest. Much easier to put on, and offers more protection than a jacket laying on the side of the road.
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    Default Re: Who makes team Jumbo-Visma's jackets and rainwear? Fire them.

    The new Assos winter jacket is a steal at $725.00.
    Problems solved.

    https://us.assos.com/EQUIPE-RS-Winte...9ae3-129852642

    I received the email announcement for this just before the appeal email from the Food Bank.

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    Default Re: Who makes team Jumbo-Visma's jackets and rainwear? Fire them.

    Quote Originally Posted by johnmdesigner View Post
    The new Assos winter jacket is a steal at $725.00.
    Problems solved.

    https://us.assos.com/EQUIPE-RS-Winte...9ae3-129852642
    And it is black.

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    Default Re: Who makes team Jumbo-Visma's jackets and rainwear? Fire them.

    Quote Originally Posted by WFSTEKL View Post
    And it is black.
    More visible in Swiss snow?
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    Default Re: Who makes team Jumbo-Visma's jackets and rainwear? Fire them.

    Quote Originally Posted by johnmdesigner View Post
    The new Assos winter jacket is a steal at $725.00.
    Problems solved.

    https://us.assos.com/EQUIPE-RS-Winte...9ae3-129852642

    I received the email announcement for this just before the appeal email from the Food Bank.
    Apparently 4 years in development......... I wish they’d spent the time making warm, waterproof, breathable gloves and shoe covers........they’re the
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